Not confidant about Farage.
He’s done the country so much damage without being in power - god knows what he is capable of.
So, what does “class” actually mean to you nowadays?
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There is obviously lots of media attention citing how appalling he is and all the vile nonsense he's been up to.
However, I see no effort being made by the American political system or the judiciary to actually stop the illegal and immoral acts he is carrying out and /or remove him from office.
Has any one any insight in to this?
Not confidant about Farage.
He’s done the country so much damage without being in power - god knows what he is capable of.
M0nica
There have been many and various attempts to rein Trump in in and there are many ongoing legal cases, but all these actions are being taken mainly at state level.
The main problem is that the president's authority is almost paramount and when you get some one like Trump to prepared to run roughshod and dismiss anyone who dares question him, it gets difficult. if a Trump opponent is dismissed - and many have been, he is replaced by a Trump stooge.
Trump is surrounded by as nasty a group of ,mainly, men on the make, who would render their own children down for lard if it was to their advantage, all of them contunually acting outside the law.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the only difference between the USA and other unpleasant countries like North Korea, Iran, China or Russia is that, as yet, except for the occasional protestor, there have been no widepsread extra-judicial murdering of his opponents.
So well put and I totally agree
Whitewavemark2
Not confidant about Farage.
He’s done the country so much damage without being in power - god knows what he is capable of.
I agree and lord knows what damage he would do if he actually spent time in his constituency or even this country.
He’s an odious snake oil salesman who thinks he’s already in charge and who holds Trump in great esteem. Nothing more to be said really.
imaround
The United States had a checks and balances system that worked for 250 years. When there is an entire party who is committed to destroying a country, not much else will stop it.
Keep Farage and big money out of your elections if you don't want this happening in The UK.
And yet many people seem to regard him and the rabble that surround him, as the saviour of this country. Just goes to show how far a racist agenda can take you. Especially when the media are happy to provide so much coverage.
I agree with M0nica, and I think many of us are now, for the first time, seeing a US President as a potential enemy rather than an ally.
Which is pretty scary stuff when you think about it.
My son lives in the US. His observation is that the people who could ‘speak to power’ are paralysed by indecision, perhaps mindful of their own futures. He says it’s not a new thing, it’s the same behaviour that allowed Biden to continue in office when his cognitive powers were fading. No one will be the first to speak up.
That is an interesting perspective Sue. I wonder if it is indecision or indifference?
I am going to be thinking that through later when I can't sleep. Everyone, no matter the letter by their name, come out of Congress wealthy. Can any of them be trusted to put us first? (No)
I think it's fear. That's how Facism works- if people don't speak out about the small things it will be too late when the big things come... and they seem to be coming,
Fear is the dictator’s tool of choice and is all very well to say why don’t people protest but look what is happening to those who protest against what ICE are doing, and as in Iran those killed by ICE will be blamed.
When those in a position of authority can turn on the citizens with a gun and get away with it where do citizens go from there?
This is terrifying territory.
Not sure I would have the courage to protest in these circumstances.
We have family in NYC and California and they are beyond incensed by Trump and his cronies but feel completely powerless.
It is divide and conquer, an ancient strategy.
For me, it is less about fear and more about feeling powerless.
Fallingstar I just took my youngest to college in a rather red area and I advised him DO NOT attend protests right now.
People are getting shot and killed for protesting.
He hasn't sent troops to our city yet, but it is coming. If he is successful in Minnesota, he will be empowered.
I just hope this doesn't turn into a Revolution and Congress does it freaking job!
He is possibly the most unsuitable person to be a president they have ever had. Makes Nixon look good. But they voted for him so just have to suck it up. Starmer is unsuitable as a PM, too but not in the same league. He would make a very good foreign minister, he is good at that but Trump - no nothing I can think of. Ah well, hope we don’t end up with a world war is all I can think.
Starmer is better than Boris right now.
his minions write speeches daily for him he is not smart enough to do it himself'
there many in washington that are nazis
Stephen Miller, Vance and others are the power behind the throne. As MOnica puts it so well they are very nasty people.
If things go wrong Trump will be the fall guy.
Fallingstar
Fear is the dictator’s tool of choice and is all very well to say why don’t people protest but look what is happening to those who protest against what ICE are doing, and as in Iran those killed by ICE will be blamed.
When those in a position of authority can turn on the citizens with a gun and get away with it where do citizens go from there?
This is terrifying territory.
Not sure I would have the courage to protest in these circumstances.
I do take slight issue with you on saying or implying that any protesters will be killed as many have protested in the US about ICE in their neighbourhood or any other protest, and have done so fairly peacefully and are fine.
Just don’t obstruct or try and injure in any way anyone in authority with a gun, be it immigration people or police.
American or not much interested in global or international issues unless they affect them, and at present at least part of the country is prosperous; the poor don't have much of a voice. They seem to believe in Make America Great Again, and not too concerned about how it is achieved.
dotpocka
his minions write speeches daily for him he is not smart enough to do it himself'
there many in washington that are nazis
I find this difficult to believe. Do they also write his truth social posts? I have noticed he doesn't give many press conferences anymore.
I am not in favour of letting Trump off the hook and blaming others in this way.
Yes, they are equally culpable but Trump is the ringleader in my opinion.
The whole Farage thing over here is media driven. He has a tiny number of MPs and if the media would just act accordingly then it would wither on the vine.
I read some comments on YouTube recently saying that America HAS to take over Greenland to survive, they have no choice - I don't know if these are made by people who have been brainwashed by Trump & Co or believe this themselves. Either way there are obviously a lot of ordinary people backing Trump still.
It is in the interest of many rich and wish to remain powerful people to support Trump.
Didn't Trump put most of the judiciary in place so they aren't likely to rein him in.
In the mid-term elections, thé Republicans might lose the House and there might be some power to head him off.
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