What are they actually doing in America to stop Trump?

The last two American elections have been fought between 2 old men with dementia.

Why is becoming President of the United States now seen as a role no one in their right mind would want to take on?

In this country since Gordon Brown became Prime Minister we have had a succession of Prime Ministers each more mediocre and inadequate than the previous one, with the opposition leaders competing with the incumbent Prime Minister to prove to be even more inadequate as them.

Interesting speech in Davos from Carney, about the new world order.

Yes, Biden took too long to go.

SueDonim, have just read your post. Sincerely hope all goes well for him.

Thank you, Maremia, I appreciate that. Xx

I read a frightening article on The Atlantic www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/03/trump-national-security-greenland-spheres-of-interest/685673/ last night about how Trump is indeed changing the world order that most of us have grown up with, back to how the world worked in the early 1800’s. It’s not good, for us or for anyone else.

I hope that it all goes peacefully, SueDonim. At least, when, in years to come, people will ask, incredulously, how did this happen, you will be able to say that you did protest.
Good 🤞 luck.

Meanwhile, what are they doing in Europe? Not sure how it works, but Denmark plans to sell off American 'debt'.

Maremia

Interesting speech in Davos from Carney, about the new world order.

Yes, it was well worth reading.

In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called The Power of the Powerless. And in it, he asked a simple question: How did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer. Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window: "Workers of the world, unite!" He doesn't believe it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists.

Not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this "living within a lie." The system's power comes not from its truth but from everyone's willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source: when even one person stops performing — when the greengrocer removes his sign — the illusion begins to crack.

... etc

Carney's speech was brilliant. Canada are so lucky to have this strong, intelligent and experienced man as their leader. He should be in the running for a Nobel prize.

How was it brilliant. It was what many people have been saying for years.
The importance of national sovereignty, strong industrial base, and don't run societies on lies that no one believes.
Five minutes ago people were called populists etc for what Carney was saying.

I didn't know that 'populists' were promoting 'don't run societies on lies no one believes'.
I thought populists spouted 'propaganda'.

The progressives just have different lies.
Those of us who raised concerns about those lies were frequently dismissed as bigots, far right, etc.

Maremia

I didn't know that 'populists' were promoting 'don't run societies on lies no one believes'.
I thought populists spouted 'propaganda'.

No, populists don’t just spout propaganda where did you hear that?
Carney’s speech was timely maybe but not brilliant.As Galaxy says it’s what anyone with common sense says and has been thinking.

I thought Mark Carney's speech yesterday was timely as it preceded Trump at Davos on the world stage- and Trump seen in contrast was to his detriment. I thought Carney demonstrated powerful leadership. Carney's speech also struck a nerve with Trump- who retaliated later to Carney, in his own speech in a childish, petulant way... Trump also seemingly backed down on Tariff retaliation and using force in Greenland. Did Carney's speech on the Davos world stage have any impact on Trump's advisors such as they advised Trump to tone down his rhetoric and actions- maybe...



Carney articulated and stood up for the values of international co operation and the need for shared rules and open economies. Trump threatens that and Carney holds no fear whatsoever in standing up for his values and beliefs, on the world stage- other leaders have been more reticent

LemonJam well said.

Carney was a good speaker, by comparison Trump sounded ridiculous, apparently thanking himself for all the great things he has done for the world. Looks like there is nothing to sort out internationally or in the US, Trump has sorted it all out. Perhaps next time he should don a cape and the Superman logo.

One of the reasons for Trumps back down over Greenland is the lack of support he is getting from his Maga base.

That doesn’t mean however he won’t give it another go.

How anyone can take seriously a leader who just blows back and forth with the wind is beyond me. Threats issued off the cuff, then withdrawn are his style.

We have no choice but to be concerned - but believe what he says every time he mouths off? - I don't think so.

Yes, populist don't just spout propaganda, they also spout racism.

Whitewavemark2

One of the reasons for Trumps back down over Greenland is the lack of support he is getting from his Maga base.

That doesn’t mean however he won’t give it another go.

One of the reasons for Trumps back down over Greenland is the lack of support he is getting from his Maga base.

Is that true? Where is the evidence that he's losing support? Do you mean the electorate or the bods at the top?

I can imagine he's quietly being told to tone it down a bit, but individuals like Miller etc seem quite bullish.

However, he certainly has changed his tune... yet again, so I suppose someone or something made him decide to roll back on the tariffs threat.

Possibly Mark Rutte! He seems to be close to Trump and could sway him.

Galaxy

The progressives just have different lies.
Those of us who raised concerns about those lies were frequently dismissed as bigots, far right, etc.

I'd never describe myself as 'progressive' - in fact, I don't know if I'm drilled, bored or countersunk, but you have a point.

The lie that men could become women ceased when someone decided that the sign should no longer be put up in the shop window, so to speak.

It's what follows after that matters.

I wonder if Trump thought he had achieved the Art of the Deal about Greenland/Iceland or was it TACO again?
(Trump always chickens out)

Maremia

I wonder if Trump thought he had achieved the Art of the Deal about Greenland/Iceland or was it TACO again?
(Trump always chickens out)

It seems to be his modus operandi... this is what I want, I'm gonna have it, and if you try to stop me I'll stick you with some more tariffs - or I might use force.
So the world jitters, the markets are spooked (once again) - and then he climbs down.
Some Art, eh?
If there's one word in the English language I'm already sick of hearing, it's the word "deal".

The latest trump pronouncement has left me seething. Talking about Afghanistan he admitted we did send troops but kept well away from the front line… my elder son was a Royal Marine back then and served in Afghanistan and Iraq. He and his mates were definitely on the front line. He told me stories which would make you weep.

Neither trump nor any of his family ever served in the military.