David and Tristan Tate and their “supporters”

Am afraid we see the results everyday of toxic masculinity. Women raped and killed, in most cases by an ex husband or ex boyfriend. These men may not be influenced by the Tates but by the circle of male friends and relations they are brought up with. But the Tates fuel hatred against women and tbh there is enough of it around already. My worry is kids at school, young boys who have no good male role models, getting groomed by the Tates.
And these were the brothers that Musk and Trump wanted to be pardoned for sex trafficking.

Thanks for such an informative post Cossy I believe this is a very important issue which will have far reaching consequences.

Can we do anything about this toxic media?
Yes, us.

Fallingstar

Thanks for such an informative post Cossy I believe this is a very important issue which will have far reaching consequences.

I too believe this!

Yes, I believe we CAN do things about this kind of toxic and vile social media!

We can ensure that we’re aware of it, makes others aware, have good parental controls on our devices, lobby the government to hold providers to account, educate our boys to respect girls, bring up our girls to be independent thinking and courageous women, support organisations that try and close the worst sites down. Let’s not let these awful people, and I include Trump and Farage, poison our sons/grandsons minds and preserve ALL women’s rights which were fought and won by us and our predecessors.

Who is David Tate?

Magenta8

Who is David Tate?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/tate-brothers-charged-with-rape-and-human-trafficking-in-uk

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyje823er4o

Magenta8

Who is David Tate?

I think that should be Andrew Tate.

Good Law Project has sent just out an email about 'fighting back' It seems to be linked to merchandise speaking against these people.

The "Women in Afghanistan" thread, it talking about some of the same things.

Cossy

Fallingstar

Thanks for such an informative post Cossy I believe this is a very important issue which will have far reaching consequences.

I too believe this!

Yes, I believe we CAN do things about this kind of toxic and vile social media!

We can ensure that we’re aware of it, makes others aware, have good parental controls on our devices, lobby the government to hold providers to account, educate our boys to respect girls, bring up our girls to be independent thinking and courageous women, support organisations that try and close the worst sites down. Let’s not let these awful people, and I include Trump and Farage, poison our sons/grandsons minds and preserve ALL women’s rights which were fought and won by us and our predecessors.

Good ideas.

Though the parental control on devices can only last until say, 14? 16?

The trouble is, while "us women" are on one site talking about things, putting the world to rights, meanwhile, men are on others.

And I include po rn.
Which I think is doing untold damage.

The good law project has run its own campaign against womens rights, I am laughing that they would be seen as on the side of women. I think they have caused quite considerable damage to women.
As I keep saying the stats in terms of men killing their female partner have remained fairly static for a long time. My main concern in terms of women and sexual assault would be the influence of porn.

How many women are on mens' sites?
Should we be?
Got me thinking.

Andrew Tate has been interviewed at length by Piers Morgan but Morgan lets him speak and doesn't really challenge him. They are both fairly polite towards each other rather than being confrontational. Maybe Morgan hopes Tate will hang himself if the rope is long enough but it doesn't really happen.

I think they should challenge him because he gets very angry and aggressive at times and we need to see that, although it's a fine line to walk. If Tate feels he will be really challenged by an interviewer then he probably won't appear at all.

Justin Theroux has a real knack of getting people to open up and maybe Tate feels he might reveal more than he wants to. I would really love to see those two together.

Andrew & Tristan Tate are their names. 2 misogynistic and vile individuals who, worryingly, have a large following.

I do think we need to calm these whole Tate influencer things down a little. Yes, they are vile men making a lot of money but are that many young men really that taken in by this?

We mustn't give them attention they don't deserve, though I know most people will just carry on regardless because it is in the news today...

I don't see any much evidence of this behaviour apart from on the on-line world.

I have two grandsons and plenty of nephews and none of them would take any notice of this nonsense. They know what they would get back in return if they did.

What really is 'toxic' masculinity?

When I grew up in the 70s it was perfectly acceptable to be groped, kissed and more by men at work and in the local pubs.

Pornography was everywhere- in the school playground, the local shop, on the TV and in the cinemas, not least to say in our homes through newspapers,books and magazines.

This idea of exploiting women for money or gratification is nothing new- it is just more 'hidden' amongst a few sad, lonely men who have no regard for themselves let alone the women in their lives.

If you are concerned then look to the young women- give them the wherewithall to assert themselves and not see themselves as objects or victims. Especially don't make it easy for them to see men as the enemy, they need empowerment not victimhood.

I am not referring to women living under the yoke of extreme Islamic teachings however... that is a much more complex issue.

Thanks Cossy for highlighting the Tate brothers influence and fortune they’ve been amassing in their toxic, misogynistic business dealings. Terrifying that Trump wanted to pardon them.

This thread links to the one about women and girls in Afghanistan and other threads identifying abuse of women and girls.

keeping quiet, my experience in the seventies was not of it ‘being perfectly acceptable ‘ for men to grope and sexually assault women. It’s never been acceptable despite some men wishing it was. The women’s movement was active in the seventies and the way things are going we need more not less focus on sexual abuse and harassment.

Pornography was not ‘everywhere’ in the seventies. It was top shelf and the kind of ‘extreme’ pornography available on every smart phone had to be sought after. We need research based practice but I bet it will confirm the toxic influence of easily accessed porn on men and of course, their female partners. In what universe is strangulation or sexual practices that cause physical never mind emotional damage, acceptable.

I am not this womans publicist!, but can I recommend Freya India ( new, very young writer) for a young womans view on everything from social media to porn, she is fascinating on some of these issues.
Iam64 is spot on about porn, the new porn is a very different beast to previous stuff, and accessible to young people in a completely different way. I too wish they would do proper research on it.

Elegran

Magenta8
Who is David Tate?
I think that should be Andrew Tate.

Of course it should, I’m so sorry, I have awful “brain fog”, please just put to a down to a “mad old bat” moment!

fancythat

Cossy

Fallingstar

Thanks for such an informative post Cossy I believe this is a very important issue which will have far reaching consequences.

I too believe this!

Yes, I believe we CAN do things about this kind of toxic and vile social media!

We can ensure that we’re aware of it, makes others aware, have good parental controls on our devices, lobby the government to hold providers to account, educate our boys to respect girls, bring up our girls to be independent thinking and courageous women, support organisations that try and close the worst sites down. Let’s not let these awful people, and I include Trump and Farage, poison our sons/grandsons minds and preserve ALL women’s rights which were fought and won by us and our predecessors.

Good ideas.

Though the parental control on devices can only last until say, 14? 16?

Parental controls stop at 18.

I think that's misogyny directed to yourself cossy .
I knew what you meant.

Iam64

Thanks Cossy for highlighting the Tate brothers influence and fortune they’ve been amassing in their toxic, misogynistic business dealings. Terrifying that Trump wanted to pardon them.

This thread links to the one about women and girls in Afghanistan and other threads identifying abuse of women and girls.

keeping quiet, my experience in the seventies was not of it ‘being perfectly acceptable ‘ for men to grope and sexually assault women. It’s never been acceptable despite some men wishing it was. The women’s movement was active in the seventies and the way things are going we need more not less focus on sexual abuse and harassment.

Pornography was not ‘everywhere’ in the seventies. It was top shelf and the kind of ‘extreme’ pornography available on every smart phone had to be sought after. We need research based practice but I bet it will confirm the toxic influence of easily accessed porn on men and of course, their female partners. In what universe is strangulation or sexual practices that cause physical never mind emotional damage, acceptable.

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Galaxy

I think that's misogyny directed to yourself cossy .
I knew what you meant.

🤣🤣🤣 Honestly, I drive myself mad, I’m 67 and used to have the memory of at least two elephants, now I have the bottom of several elephants and the brain of a fish with slight learning difficulties! Grrrrrr

@keepingquiet When I grew up in the 70s it was perfectly acceptable to be groped, kissed and more by men at work and in the local pubs.

It absolutely was not acceptable to me or any women/men I knew.

Pornography was everywhere- in the school playground, the local shop, on the TV and in the cinemas, not least to say in our homes through newspapers,books and magazines.

That's nonsense. The nearest thing to porn in 1970 UK newspapers was Page 3 tits. UK TV certainly never broadcast an erect penis let alone places to put it. Even today TV can't broadcast the kind of porn images kids can see on their mobile phones.

You're completely wrong about the Tates influence in everyday life btw; the evidence in boys behaviour to female staff and girls in class is widely reported by schools.