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Toilet in the 18 and 18th centuries

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HelterSkelter1 Tue 17-Mar-26 09:32:00

I am watching the lovely Bennet Sister series. They go to balls in large houses. What on earth would they do about going to the loo. Long dresses, petticoats and bloomers. How on earth did they manage. Where would the facilities be? Did they have cloakrooms for the cloaks and also the equivalent of potties. Did they just not go out and certainly not to a ball in a white dress if menstruating.
And after having children would they risk dancing with perhaps a lax pelvic floor.

Did ladies type shops haberdashers etc have somewhere a lady could go to the loo if caught short while shopping for ribbons.
I am of course talking about middle class "ladies". I am sure the lower classes just got on with it.
In one episode someone remarks to Mary Bennet hat she "wouldnt want to relieve herself behind a screen" at the ball. What on earth did that mean.
I know we are often short of ladies loos in our towns now, but their life must have been a misery. Long coach or carriage journeys. Long walks that they always seemed to be doing.
I have seen a gadget ton Antiques Roadshow that you could use under a dress for weeing into on a carriage journey. How on earth would you do that privately? Imagine doing it on the 10.20 to Waterloo!

I would love Lucy Worsley to do a programme all about women's hygiene problems from Elizabethan times till now.

MayBee70 Thu 19-Mar-26 14:01:06

That historian lady, Ruth something or other did a programme about personal hygiene and said that, although people didn’t wash they wore linen which was washed regularly and that kept them clean in some way. Having said that it wouldn’t help me because linen makes me itch terribly.

Maremia Thu 19-Mar-26 14:08:39

We are sooooo lucky.

TheSunRisesInTheEast Thu 19-Mar-26 14:17:34

Our local library has just installed a row of unisex toilets, I think it's disgusting. I nipped in for a pee the other morning and a man was sitting in the next cubicle having his morning poo. Yuck. I wouldn't have had a problem with a woman, when you've got to go you've got to go, but this did not feel at all acceptable and I won't be using them again.

HelterSkelter1 Thu 19-Mar-26 15:36:52

Were the cubicle walls and doors floor to ceiling The Sun Rises?
In a little independent cafe I love to go to the 2 quite small loos are unisex. The walls and doors are floor to ceiling.. . Must say I am not keen as they are quite in a confined space as the cafe is small. Unfortunately it is quite a long walk back along the river to the town so I have to use it. Like you I wouldnt mind another woman in the other one.
I suppose unisex avoids the situation of trans gender questions/concerns. Now I think about itmI am jot sure they have a disabled loo . I must check next week.

TheSunRisesInTheEast Thu 19-Mar-26 19:29:12

HelterSkelter1, it's a row of four toilet cubicles where there's a gap top and bottom in the dividing walls and doors. It's open plan, so there's no door to get into the area, you walk straight in off the library landing so people walking past can see you washing your hands and feet under the cubicles 🫣😳. Public toilets in our town centre are few and far between, so the library was handy, but never again for me, I don't like it at all.

HelterSkelter1 Fri 20-Mar-26 03:42:31

That arrangement sounds awful. I wouldn't like it at all. I would also complain to the library. I thought unisex toilet walls and doors were completely floor to ceiling with no gaps.

Franbern Fri 20-Mar-26 08:34:25

I have long needed to use an Accessible toilet when I am out. Nearly always these are separated from the usual Men/Women's toilets - and are totally unisex.

Toilets in my own and other people's home are also unisex.
Never worried me. Just grateful that we have them.

TheSunRisesInTheEast Fri 20-Mar-26 09:59:53

But that's different to what I'm talking about. I don't have a problem with a unisex toilet, one in one out, it's the thought of sitting on a loo at the same time as men, possibly sitting either side of me, you can hear everything going on, then standing beside them at the sink, no thanks, not for me.

HelterSkelter1 Fri 20-Mar-26 10:23:56

I agree with you TheSun. Hospital toilets for the public are mostly unisex and accessible. But the door closes flush with the floor and the walls are solid to the top. I dont think those library loos have been thought through. I expect you are not the only one who is avoiding them. I doubt if the staff loos are so "flimsy". That s the only word I can think of. I would put a complaint in writing to the "council".
Is thereman accessible loo you could use which is probably more substantial and private.

Home toilets are completely different ...open to family and friends not Joe Public.

TheSunRisesInTheEast Fri 20-Mar-26 10:35:00

Good old Gregg's!! 😂

kircubbin2000 Fri 20-Mar-26 18:12:55

I remember going to a BBQ at a local farm The toilets were a long bench with 4 holes.

Fallingstar Fri 20-Mar-26 18:18:51

In the US am not sure about unisex toilets but in the ladies toilets they usually had a very small door with a large gap at the top and bottom a bit like a saloon door in a western. Could see legs as well feet and often the tops of people’s heads.
Very off putting.

SueEH Fri 20-Mar-26 21:46:25

Greciangirl

I travelled to Morroco in the 1960’s.

I’ll always remember sitting in a cafe drinking mint tea.
I enquired where the toilet was and it was a hole in the ground.
Not easy to perch over either.
I was quite shocked.
Hopefully nowadays they have proper lavatories.

I’ve been in Turkiye this last weekend - not one of the south coast touristy areas - and encountered a couple of “squatty pottys “. Thankfully I was prepared with tissues and wipes. My daughter just crossed her legs until we found western toilets.

HelterSkelter1 Sat 21-Mar-26 07:30:54

I wonder,if someone makes a silicone collapsible gravy boat type handled container in a zip up washable bag to use instead of squatting. You could keep it in your bag with wipes and tissues. I know I would fall over if I tried to squat. There are silicone collapsible mugs which I suppose would do. DD has a collapsible dog bowl but thats the wrong shape.
And if ever I go to a country in the future I will wear skirts and go commando.

David49 Sat 21-Mar-26 07:59:05

kircubbin2000

I remember going to a BBQ at a local farm The toilets were a long bench with 4 holes.

Many years ago I helped demolish the double sided privy on a local farm, the family side was a 4 seater, 2 adult 2 children, back to back with the workers another 4 seater.

Not a piece of social history anyone was concerned about preserving in those days

TheSunRisesInTheEast Sat 21-Mar-26 11:39:42

HelterSkelter1

I wonder,if someone makes a silicone collapsible gravy boat type handled container in a zip up washable bag to use instead of squatting. You could keep it in your bag with wipes and tissues. I know I would fall over if I tried to squat. There are silicone collapsible mugs which I suppose would do. DD has a collapsible dog bowl but thats the wrong shape.
And if ever I go to a country in the future I will wear skirts and go commando.

How about a silicone loaf 'tin'?!! I have one in my kitchen collection of silicone bakeware, you could fold it up after emptying it out and rinsing it under the taps or wet wipes if no sink available. It would then fold up small to put in your bag! 😂

TheSunRisesInTheEast Sat 21-Mar-26 11:41:49

Dragon's Den?!! 😂

HelterSkelter1 Sat 21-Mar-26 13:02:58

That is such a good idea. A loaf tin is the right shape.and it would roll up fairly small. I think I have one not used for a long time. I shall give it a test run.

TheSunRisesInTheEast Sat 21-Mar-26 13:32:42

Let us know how you get on 😀.

Elegran Sat 21-Mar-26 13:52:50

Luckygirl3

I was always fascinated by the fact that the French pay such close attention to what goes in (haute cuisine) and so little to what comes out and where.

And I am fascinated about how women dealt with periods, but assume that in the main they were either pregnant, breast-feeding or dead.

They were frequently "indisposed" and not seeing visitors, which probably meant they were not fit to be seen or smelt, so they were keeping a low profile.

Astitchintime Sat 21-Mar-26 13:55:49

Begging your pardon if someone has already mentioned…..there was reference to ‘going behind a screen’ during the first episode of The Other Bennet Girl

Sarahr Sun 22-Mar-26 10:25:28

At dinner parties a toilet of sorts would be set up in the dining room behind screens for the use of guests. I'm glad we have moved on since then. I can't see us setting up the porta-potti in the dining room nowadays.