Coronavirus - are older people being treated as expendable?

How so Granny Laine?

Alexa, You can still be a carrier. Even if you yourself cannot get sick

Alexa even if a person has had coronavirus and has made antibodies to protect themselves from further infection by that virus, they can still transmit the virus to other people. Do you remember the story of Typhoid Mary who herself had immunity but went on infecting other people? Same thing. And no one is going to risk that scenario in a hospital setting. You might find this helpful
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY&fbclid=IwAR1BEzP-RcLuJ5htr6YsG6S3AkMb6z1q4j1U__BusgTN2ALolHoU3DvkrPQ

Pikachu none of my messages has had anything to do with shopping priorities. I think you are confusing me with someone else.

Monica you posted
The majority of people requiring hospital care will be the elderly, the severity rate of the disease increases with age

So, I was drawing a parallel by suggesting that one way to cut down on those most vulnerable clogging up the NHS is to start where they are most likely to pick up the infection - in busy shops.

I see you didn’t make that connection which is fine as apparently neither has that excuse for a PM.

In the area I live we have not had all these overcrowded shops and empty shelves, except loo paper, pasta and tinned tomatoes. I did a shop on Monday last week, before the early morning shopping for the elderly was introduced and it was busier than it usually is at that hour, but not busy by any description we got round without a problem and got almost everything we wanted.

I will be shopping tomorrow, wearing, as last week, latex gloves and a mask. The gloves will be disposed of outside the shop and the mask washed as soon as we get home.

I deplore the hysteria so many people at every level are exhibiting during the crisis. We need to keep cool and calm, read the advice given and follow it. No more is needed.

Granny Laine government medic said this morning that NHS staff who had been infected needed testing to confirm so that they could go back to work with confidence. Think that is clear.

Daisymae yes of course I know that. But new virus can still be transmitted by visitors to NHS workers in the usual way unless barrier nursing precautions are taken. They will be taking every opportunity to limit virus transfer even when working in the midst of it

M0nica, I can't agree with 'We need to keep cool and calm, read the advice given and follow it. No more is needed.'

I'm following the advice (even going a few steps beyond it) as are my family and friends (except one) but people around here aren't.

Yesterday was like a bank holiday here. Kids playing in the street and at the cricket club, parents chatting, groups of neighbours dog walking together (as always), crowds of teenagers, a barbeque party, extended family groups visiting elderly folk, builders, gardeners etc. working as normal.

M0nica, I felt like the odd one out, trying to socially distance while walking the dog. I may have to go very early or late now. Few people are taking notice of the rules.

Hetty you are clearly in an unfortunate position, but where I am in a big village in Oxfordshire, and my view is limited because we are staying at home. We did do a short circular car journey yesterday and even in the local town, we saw a few people out, and only in what looked like family groups and clearly obeying the rules.

Our children report the same from towns in Yorkshire and Hertfordshire, again they are staying in their houses and gardens, so they are limited to what is happening in their own street. DD did need to go food shopping yesterday and said her local supermarket was very quiet.

I'm in Yorkshire and it was very unsettling as we walked past the village yesterday to see not a single child anywhere. And this, at a time when normally they would be coming out of the village school. Their voices carry across the fields during school playtimes. Its right, but it feels so wrong

My daughter went food shopping yesterday during the time slot made available for NHS and key workers. A big crowd of people was gathered outside the store waiting for general opening time. As my daughter was finishing her shopping the crowd was allowed in. She told me they rushed in in a mad rabble, grabbing anything and everything off the shelves, and pushing other people out of the way. My daughter, who had her two year old with her, was frightened by the way the crowd behaved, and also because she knows that NHS workers have been mugged for their identification tags. She now says she’s not going shopping anymore but sending her husband instead. This is sadly the way some people behave towards our vital key workers. I’m disgusted frankly.

Maddyone, I haven't been near the shops for ages. That sounds terrible.

M0nica, I'm in Woodford, NE London, and beginning to get worried about the 'next stage'. If people fail to comply, we could have total lockdown. I'd find it really hard to be trapped in my house.

I know Hetty and my daughter and son are the two who are keeping us supplied and my 92 year old mother supplied. It’s sad some people are so selfish. Those selfish people may be needing the services of my daughter and her husband sometime soon, but they’d push her out of the way for a few groceries.

Shameful behaviour, I despair!

Look after yourselves. Make an effort. stay fit. eat healthy. stop thining that THEY have to look after you. Above all stop smoking.Let the smokers die,.

This atrocious behaviour does seem to be very much a big towns and conurbations and really big supermarket thing.

There is a huge Tesco on the outskirts of our local town that I never use because it is too big to shop in in a timely and efficient manner. I haven't heard of problems there.

Monica
The store is a quite large Morrisons. It isn’t in a big town, rather a village that has grown larger, but is no longer a village really, nor is it a town. There are several villages that have grown into small towns nearby. This store is between the large village where my daughter lives and a small town that was a village originally. Difficult to explain really. My daughter was shopping there because it’s difficult to get a delivery slot for home delivery, and as a doctor she is entitled to shop during the key worker slot.
As a post script to this my husband, her father, rang the store and made a vehement complaint about the way the store and key worker slots were being managed, telling them that his daughter and her two year old should not have been frightened and pushed out of the way. The result of that appears to be that the store are now only allowing so many people in as others come out, and people are being made to queue two metres apart. They have security on the door now.
Result! But it shouldn’t have taken one terrified young woman and a father who would walk on hot coals for his child to achieve this.

granniechrissie you keep posting these sweeping statments that, dismiss whole swathes of the population as expendable.

Beware, all of a sudden you find yourself swept up for removal because of something you do.

Back to the OP and whether old people are thought to be expendable.

In the news tonight a man in Italy aged 101 years has been released from hospital after contracting Covid-19.
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What about the drinkers grannychrissie?


It's red, full of riboflavins

The world's oldest man has put off his 112th birthday celebrations for the time being.
Optimism in the face of uncertainty!

Happy Birthday Bob
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A man aged 101 released from hospital, that’s simply amazing news. Plus a man aged 112 putting off his birthday celebrations during these uncertain times. Truly amazing.
However I know that medics are already making difficult decisions regarding the treatment of older patients in Britain. I saw something in the news the other day about an 80 year old lady not being given a ventilator as there were insufficient available and with her underlying health conditions it was regretfully felt that others could benefit from ventilation more. The others were younger, so yes it is happening already.

Someone who thinks that far too much money is being spent on the crises, particularly in trying to save us non-economic productive types.

thecritic.co.uk/has-the-government-over-reacted-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

Yes, whenever you feel down, always remind yourself that life would be worse if you were married to Toby Young