The RNHS?

I've been fighting for proper funding for the NHS for a long time now and have been variously subjected to many dismissive comments on GN because I am a "leftie". There is no doubt that this government has steadily eroded the NHS and massively underfunded it. I don't see why that should change. And when this is all over the NHS is going to need a massive investment to even enable it to continue. There will be huge lengthy waiting lists, there will be a shortage of staff and the ever present private companies will still be hovering. Sort out all that and then propose the Royal if you must but even thinking of it while the service is in such a state is ridiculous.

Opinion is overwhelmingly against the op's suggestion. Instead being so defensive and telling everyone else why they are wrong I suggest you now back off and stop digging!

In what way am I digging mcem? I feel we should find some way of recognising the individuals who have literally laid their lives on the line while the country got things up and running and will no doubt do so for some time to come. You, it appears, do not agree.

Since when has this meant you or anyone else should tell others to stop putting their point forward? All you and some others seem to be able to do is to resort to personal nastiness with you telling me to back off and Kalu suggesting I "go the extra mile". It's all getting a bit infantile and certainly shows no care for those who care.

Trisher you must know I would and do back that fight all the way. However, that was not what I was talking about and is a long way from the recognition I was suggesting we give those on the nearest thing to a front line we are likely to see in our lifetimes, just as most states would and probably will when this is over.

It is just mixing one discussion up with another and giving the puerile reason to try and close down a thread because it isn't saying what they want it to say. The two points are quite separate as is the fact that some do not like the royal family. Neither have any bearing on what I suggested.

The bit you resolutely refuse to understand GGMK3 is that each and every one of us applaud and recognise the efforts that front line staff are making under nigh impossible conditions. It's what the NHS is just brilliant at and always has been. Your enthusiasm for changing the title of the NHS as some kind of reward simply isn't shared. Perhaps time to accept and move on? And before accusing others of personal nastiness , maybe consider the tone of some of your own responses?

It isn't that I don't understand GrannyLaine. So many of you have declared that you recognise what the front line staff are doing.

I don't see where you get the idea I have enthusiasm for changing the title. This is where you are not "listening" or in this case reading what I have now written many times. It was Rishi Sunak miss-speaking that caught my thought about what we can do to recognise those you spoke about above. Again, I have said several times that this may not be the answer but I wonder about medals, etc. It wasn't something I had made my mind up about, but that I was sharing my thinking with others.

Please tell me GL where you get the authority from to tell me to accept - what I wonder? Someone else's omnipotence? And then you suggest I move on. I seem to remember we have free speech in this country and no one is forcing you to read what I write, are they? I think you have got the decision making backwards. If you are not interested why not have that conversation with yourself?

Not sure about adding “Royal” to the NHS but after hearing every politician from BJ down referring to “our NHS” , when many use private healthcare and would happily sell it off to the highest bidder, I would think they should rename it ONHS.

It would be a reminder of this extraordinary time yet avoid upsetting the non royalists. It would also remind politicians that it is Our National Health Service i.e it belongs to the public not the politicians and in future they can keep their grubby paws off!

I think when the title of your thread is "The RNHS" most of us might be forgiven for thinking that you considered this a good idea. The last time I checked, membership of GN allows people to contribute to discussion on threads, so if it's okay with you, I'll continue to do that. You are, as you say. quite at liberty to persevere with your idea (which seems now to have morphed into "medals etc") but maybe with a little more kindness to posters who have a different viewpoint to your own?

So you think it's forgivable not to read the OP or the following posts and not to understand that not everyone sets out with their views set in stone GL. It's also obviously forgivable not to understand that some people grow their view by having that strange thing called a "conversation" and, of course, you see it as forgivable to misrepresent the progress of thinking things through by the use of derogatory terms such as "morphed" when nothing has "morphed"; nothing was ever set in stone and it's all just a bit of thinking.

I rarely feel the need to be kind to those who basically yell their off-topic opinions at me as if everyone must agree with them but do feel very kindly disposed to those who enjoy a discussion. Many of you set out to be rude and belligerent and often are. I have no idea why you would expect anyone to behave differently in return.

Good grief, someone help me out here!

'morphed' undergo or cause to undergo a gradual process of transformation
How exactly is that derogatory?

Why do you need help in your constant attacks GL? You seem to be doing okay on your own.

Just a thought but how about stopping them?

I asked a perfectly reasonable question, but I guess there isn't really an answer is there GGMk3? Your old technique of distort and twist on practically every response to your OP has pretty much prevented any useful discussion.
I'm out

How about sitting down with a nice cup of tea GGM3 and a biscuit or two and then counting to ten.
Always worth doing when a thread is not going the way you would like it to.
My view on the NHS and the sterling work going on is that we thank them personally when receiving treatment, I always do.

I can't see a reasonable question in the whole of your posting GL. Perhaps you would like to point it out.

A good time for it to end then perhaps.

It's up to you Lemongrove, as much as anyone else. Yet again you have joined in a thread, not to add anything to the topic but to stir. Same old, same old, it seems.

Your comment is hardly in the spirit of GN GGM3
I have added to ‘the topic’ by saying what my views are on thanking NHS workers.

When did you take over GNHQ's job Lemongrove? Just remind me.

A good night's sleep tends to clarify things. I would ask a couple of questions of those telling me not to express my views because the majority on this thread don't agree with me.

Why do you need to be so domineering? Why do you feel the need to impose your beliefs on someone else? I have no wish to impose mine on you; just to discuss them. Why such arrogance, over what is only an opinion, that you feel you must stop others from putting their's forward?

I do not understand this attitude and don't actually, in real life, know anyone so arrogant and controlling that they say to me "if you don't agree go away". I truly find this very strange.

I dont know how anyone else felt seeing Bojo and his new sidekick clapping the NHS on Thursday...it made me sick! This was the government who APPLAUDED and CHEERED when the bill proposing a decent rise for Nurses was defeated in the House of Commons.
RESPECT ...something this government doesn't deserve and our NHS and NHS Scotland deserve in imeasurable amounts

NOT a "royal" warrant ..what use is that to anyone .As for Royal Wooton Bassett ...I and most of my community would refuse if anyone attempted to stick R on the front of our Towns name ..its just ridiculous and patronising in fact thats what "royalty" is all about

OK GGMK3 let's tackle the "How grateful the decendants of WW1 soldiers are to have their medals" argument. The men who fought in WW1 had no choice and many of them did not want and did not value their medals because they viewed the fight as useless. Let's not mix the NHS up with that debacle.
The NHS was formed by a government and proposed by men who believed society had to change and who were socialists. To even think of calling it "Royal" is to dishonour their memory and the incredible legacy they left us.

"How grateful the decendants of WW1 soldiers are to have their medals"

You have written that as a quote. Hoping, I assume they other will believe I wrote it. I did not. You did. Your argument is with yourself.

Sat 28-Mar-20 12:52:12 to Trisher.

GGMK3 Your actual words were You really don't know what anyone will want any more than I do. I doubt those whose antecedents passed down the Pip, Squeak and Wilfred medals from WW1 think of them as meaningless.
I simply paraphrased.
No comment about the socialists who set up our NHS I see. Far more important than any Royal connection.