Over 10000 deaths

It appears to me that the government seems to be very selective about only following scientific evidence which accords with their decisions, if past recent history is a guide.
If they were more transparent and open to scrutiny about their it would help us to be less cynical and possibly more supportive in this difficult time.

I think that the next worrying step is how they decide to get out of lockdown.

The cabinet is champing at the bit (?) to get the economy up and running again. But the worry is that they will be as careless coming out of lockdown as going into it.

We do need parliament to examine what they intend to do and feed information into government about what is happening in their constituencies.

We need to be able to examine the scientific evidence for any decision they make.

I don’t know about you but I’m not willing to sacrifice more death and suffering in order to satisfy the economic god.

WWMk2 many thanks for that link. It is quite terrifying and absolutely shameful that HMG didn't act decisively at least a month earlier. We are paying for it now.

If nothing else, it surely must show even to his most ardent admirers that the PM's gung ho approach was fatally flawed at the outset. It makes a sham of these daily press briefings.

I dread to imagine what the eventual outcome will be.

In our region staff applauded today as the first patient was discharged from intensive care to return home. Just saying.

Its a disgrace and the number is higher because its only the people who died in hospital that counted. This government has been a disgrace in how its handled it., they should have tested , closed borders and been prepared. And don't get me started on Boris in intensive care and one week later home.

Thank you for link whitewavemark2

Yes absolutely - like all data it’s dependant on many variables. I just find it easier it to see it in pictorial form and thought it was a rather harsh response to someone else finding them useful.

If it is correct babyshark

I like the graphs. They are a useful tool to see how it is progressing. It’s also useful to see what countries are showing a similar trend. Just because greymar has a worried friend doesn’t give cause for those of us who prefer to see data this way to feel bad about it. It’s just a different way of viewing the data.

Oh shouldn’t that be past-sight????

But well done for being able to keep such detail to hand.

It's nothing that those of us with foresight didn't already know Whitewavemark2.

Here is the deleted post in link form.

If you have had chance to read them yet I highly recommend that you do

bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

PS. Click on the picture to enlarge it.

I've worked out that I might just get a place in ICU. This is the Covid-19 decision support tool. How many points would you get? If it's over 8, you really must take social distancing seriously.

It's not a question of he government OR the public. FWIW, I think it's both. The government made some appalling errors in planning and when it dithered about what do. It was too bothered about its image and damage to the economy to be decisive. It's still making empty promises and not being transparent. However, it seems there are also groups of the public who persist in flouting the rules, finding loopholes and excuses and thinking it's not about them. My theory is that Johnson naturally wants to be a "people pleaser" and doesn't want to be too hard on them, but he really needs to understand what leadership is about. Hopefully, he will now start leading by example, for starters.

Thank you for sharing this information Whitewavemark2.
I suspect that when the worst of this is over, many will be very shocked at how things have been mismanaged here. I, too, can't believe the utter lack of reaction to the daily death toll, which is acknowledged to be woefully under-reported. The true figure for a recent day's tally of over 900 is estimated to be 1,600. It seems like people have gone into suspended animation or sleep, as if in a fairytale.

I don't know if I'll ever get rid of the image of the PM turning back on a walkabout to grasp the hand of a child, soon after boasting about how he was continuing to shake hands despite all advice to the contrary. Flouting the rules. But rules are for ordinary people... It was deeply disturbing, and obvious that he was very likely to get Covid-19 because of his behaviour.

Fortunately for him, he'll have had the equivalent of private medicine from "our NHS". His outcome might have been very different in a regional, under-funded and under-resourced hospital lacking a top lung specialist and team.

The idea that we are, in any possible sense, taking back any vestige of control of anything is...

Actually, words fail me. I could weep, weep, weep that we have wasted time and £billions in the last few years, which could have bought us true national health and safety now.

Still, Boris is a galllant chap and has taken one for the team.

Very close to lies? how close?

Thank you for posting the sequence of events WhitewaveMark2.
Extremely enlightening when put together.
I have just seen the comments reported to Sky News from Prof John Ashton, former Regional director of Public Health England, with regard to number of deaths, who says that those dying could be double of what the public are being told.
This is because deaths in the community are not included "At the moment a lot of what is going on in these briefings is coming very close to lies. We need to be able to see the data and crawl over it and really see what's going on".

Eglantine.Absolutely spot on.And same here.Immediate family in the frontline.
I've heard and seen so many examples of people tweaking the rules
My neighbours son popping in.Another who finds any excuse to pop to the shops at least daily.The friends who 'accidentally 'bump into each other for a dog walk having driven there and thibk they are docisl distancing but drift closer and closer. The runner who wouldn't slow down and ran round a corner straight into me when I was out for my one walk a day.I am now in bed with symptoms and I've been sticking to the rules like glue.Many haven't. Too many British people have a sod you attitude sadly,so whilst the majority do all they can unecessary exposure to the virus continues.I would love to see any political party sort that one.

Care home deaths are not hospital deaths Daisymae. Deaths at home are not included either. Of course the totals are shocking, it's a very serious situation.

Yes, but care home deaths are not included in the total. This is wrong. I can't understand how we looked on in horror a month ago at what was happening in Italy and now we are in a similar predicament there seems to little reaction.

Eglantine your post at 16.03 is spot on. Well said!

Daisymae when the figures are given each day, it's made clear that the numbers are those who have died in hospital, There will always be delay with notification of deaths that occur outside hospital.

This article dated 9 April suggests that 1000 people may have died in care homes, not included in the statistics. I don't understand why not. They are included in the French figures for instance.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/covid-19-hundreds-of-uk-care-home-deaths-not-added-to-official-toll

Reading through all that is terrifying! As we have lived it day to day we tend to forget what went before. We should have acted weeks ago - heartbreaking and so much more yet to come