A couple of weeks ago there was a whole thread about Italy and some folk saying the reason for their high death rate was they all lived on top of each other, didn't have proper toilets, they had poor health care, all lived with their grans etc. The implication being, we wouldn't get as bad as that. When I pointed out the sweeping generalisations and frankly, ignorant and inaccurate attitudes, I wasn't believed ( even thoughI have close relatives in the worse hit areas. Yes we are on course to have the highest death rates in Europe, no-one seems shocked by over 1000 deaths per day attributable to this virus, and thats just the ones in hospital.