Over 10000 deaths

Just to save the usual suspects apoplexy - be a little patient and these long posts should be taken down. I’ve reported myself.

I’ll put up the link.

It really is worth a read.

Eglantine, personally I am not playing political games. This is not the time. We have a certain party in power who it would appear has made some absolute massive errors. And no " the other lot" probably wouldn't be any better.

Cheltenham was a turning point, a disaster.

I think I’ve overdone it???

There’s is more but I’ll only post it if anyone wants to read it.

Apologies to those who will, suffer apoplexy

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All the policies in the world won’t fix anything. God knows I worked in an environment where we had Policies coming out of our ears, but then, as now, it’s the practice that counts.

And that means everyone in this situation. Everyone.

Everybody knows what they need to do to slow the spread. Everybody claps for “our wonderful NHS”.
People pontificate about not enough PPE.
Indulge in personal sneers for gd knows what reason.

And then they go and just do a little shopping, stop and have a chat (safely!), help out with the childcare, meet up with their mates to kick a ball around, have a little picnic in the park.

Members of my family are in the thick of this. all the political posturing (on both sides) isn’t helping.

People, everybody, need to do what they need to do to help the medical teams to get on top of this.

Then you can all go back to playing your political games.

grey?

Nobody should be playing anything right now.

I think daisy is correctly warning against scapegoating.

Listen to the experts

Professor Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of Wellcome Trust & pandemic expert member of SAGE, admits: “The UK is likely to be one of the worst, if not the worst, affected country in Europe.”

Wow, Daisymae doesn’t think people mixing has anything to do with the spread of an contagious disease.

No wonder we’re in a mess.

Whats the point of your graph Baggs? It's bad , its appalling and time to stop with the silly graphs. 10,000 dead??

Multi occupancy old Victorian houses soem to mind for starters.

Not for a minute doubting what you say WW.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/virus-hitting-hardest-modern-equivalent-victorian-slums

Sorry forgot the link

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Couple of graphs showing UK in relation to other countries:

Yes greymar

Poor people in the U.K. often live in cramped slum like housing. It is thought ( guardian report) I’ll try to do a link )

that the virus is flying through these communities. Poor people generally have the worst health many with underlying comorbidities like, obesity, diabetes heart problems etc. The death rate is therefore expected to be higher than in more wealthy communities.

I am not sure that people playing cricket or whatever are really contributing vastly to the death toll. It seems an easy scapegoat to divert from poor policymaking. If we're not angry now then when will we be? Certainly not in 3 or 6 months time

Sorry WW, can you expand on the slum idea please?

This is absolutly mind blowing.

Set to be the worst death toll in Europe .

It is thought that it is devastating Victorian slum type living conditions in the U.K. poverty is always going to welcome the virus.

It the wretched government had got control of it earlier this wouldn’t be so bad, but now we face the (unsurprising) embarrassment of being the least able to deal with it in Europe.

The British people deserve better.

Sorry Eg, where are these threads about joyful mixing? It's outrageous.

If we are worried is anybody actually listening?

I observe the major supermarkets have responded very quickly and efficiently, signs, extra staff , clear direction and so on.

Why can't the powers that be do something similar? Numbers to ring if you witness people breaking the rules,swift action and a clear and credible leadership.