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Barmeyoldbat Fri 17-Apr-20 14:09:12
I know of 2 nurses and all my family who are essential and NHS workers certainly think its two faced.

My son's a senior police officer. You can bet he's absolutely cynical about the clapping hypocrisy and the emotional manipulation of the naive masses.

(In thanks, he would far prefer more time to be with his family - that is, far more police officers thus more time to do his job properly - and better pay. As for a lot of doctors and nurses, 70hr weeks are usual for him, virus or no virus).

Really?
My DN is working in ICU and pleased that the population is appreciative of all they are going through.

Let's hope it is not forgotten when all this is over.

I'm sure there are many who appreciate the coming together of so many to show their gratitude Callistemon. It's a shame that some are cynical.

We clap every week and will continue to do so and there's nothing hypocritical or naive about us. Such a shame that some see what's bringing the country together as "the emotional manipulation of the naive masses".

So now we are going to tracing all contacts of people with the virus, you couldn't make it up

Do you have a link to that please Barmyoldbat otherwise I may think that you did make it up, even if you thought you couldn't.

Is that an app that has only just been developed?

I know of 2 nurses and all my family who are essential and NHS workers certainly think its two faced.

Maybe the the people you know are curmudgeonly just natural cynics barmyoldbat? These certainly aren't and they appreciate the public's recognition of what theyre doing on our behalf:

^A&E nurse moved to tears as millions across UK applaud NHS staff – video^

www.theguardian.com/society/video/2020/mar/27/a-and-e-nurse-moved-to-tears-millions-uk-applaud-nhs-video

^Coronavirus: NHS staff thank public after national applause^

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nation-takes-part-in-clap-for-carers-to-thank-nhs-staff-11964226

Sarah said as people stood on their doorsteps and clapped for the NHS she felt overwhelmed. I feel proud of myself...but I feel most proud for my friends and my colleagues that I stand beside every day and every night,"

Its in todays Guardian and I believe it was also mentioned into days briefing about now tracing contacts. No I am sorry to disap I don't make things up.

Yes, we all wish the virus hadn't happened. Those of us who believe we could/should have locked down sooner wish that for example, the Cheltenham races had been (sensibly)cancelled. No going back is there, decisions were made, I feel fairly confident, without malicious intent. Poor Mr Johnson was so ill he needed to go into hospital then into ICU. I don't expect anyone needs to shout at him that he didn't get it quite right

We were out at 8 on Thursday evening to clap. So were all our neighbours, including our retired firefighter, his wife who is a midwife, the retired teacher, engineer, dinner lady, police officer, two teachers, our dentists wife etc etc - pans were being banged, handbells rung and further down the road fireworks being set off. Im lucky, my dogs aren't in the least worried and so far as I know neither is the retired military person across the road. Id prefer no fireworks but I don't want to criticise anyone who is joining the weekly show of support for our NHS and for everyone at the front line helping us through this difficult time.

Its tough enough without anger or constant criticisms.

Anger ? Indeed ! Some idiot was talking about furloughing and those who are able to work from home.
Here's what this idiot had to say about those who work from home----somehow these people were classed as the " richer " individuals with better jobs while the poorer class were those who were either in jobs where you couldn't work from home and tended to be poorer.
What ? I was incensed. How can doctors/nurses/hospital staff in general do their work from home ?

I wish I could remember who'd said it on TV this morning. I was so carried away with what was said I couldn't believe that class would ever come into such a situation that we have.

What makes a person any better just because they work from home ? A damn shocking indictment of the way society is viewed by some.

Lots of different people are doing essential jobs. Some of them will appreciate the clapping etc. And some will not. Some will feel patronised. None of these reactions are wrong, just different because people are different.

Ellanvannin did this person say he thought people who worked from home were better people? That is not what you described in your previous post.

Ilovecheese, yes he'd inferred they were of a better class of person. The cheeky dog.

Didn't he just mean he thought they had a better, probably higher paid job?

My firefighter SIL sent me a message a few weeks ago to say he was working from home. I was puzzled till I opened this photo and realised he was pulling my leg

I don't like that sort of thing at all. Nobody is any better than anyone else in my way of thinking. They may have better jobs but it doesn't mean that they're better people.

Everyone involved in working in the current crisis - at the government’s behest or not - will be completely forgotten - viz maltreatment of war veterans - the whole thing is being stage managed to divert attention from the realities of the situation

Did the person actually claim they were better people? Or is this something you've assumed?

It is true that, IN GENERAL, people in white collar and senior jobs have been able to work at home, whereas those doing front line jobs, such as caring, cleaning and retail have to be physically present in the workplace.

For all those saying those attacking the government's policies are 'armchair critics' and playing 'party politics' see the link. What we have said. The ignoring of advice. Not testing. Not locking down soon enough. Not locking down hard enough. STATED by a professor of public health, Imperial College London.

It isn't the critics who are wrong. It is those defending incapable politicians who ignored and continue to ignore the experts.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/uk-government-coronavirus-science-who-advice

Evoha16 Sat 18-Apr-20 19:21:52
Everyone involved in working in the current crisis - at the government’s behest or not - will be completely forgotten - viz maltreatment of war veterans - the whole thing is being stage managed to divert attention from the realities of the situation

I believe this is closest to the reality of what will happen. It's all a diversion. Bread and circuses.

BTW without looking it up, does anyone remember the date of the annual Veterans' Day? Invented by Gordon Brown in another distracting moment....now known as Armed Forces Day. What were you doing last Armed Services Day...?

People have every right to criticise politicians who are responsible for us - the people. Remember the "will of the people"? Or doesn't yesterday's slogan apply when it matters?

Yes Gaga armchair critics, and you are one of them.
Also I believe, a staunch LP supporter, from what you have stated this past six months on here.So party politics does indeed form your opinions and criticisms.
It’s so very easy to sit and complain about what ‘the government’ is doing wrong.All the governments of all the affected countries have done their best, in their own different ways ( and some in similar ways)and if their best wasn’t perfect that’s because they are human beings dealing with an impossible situation.

Some people pull together in times of national crisis, and some just sit and moan about it.

GagaJo Sat 18-Apr-20 22:10:18

Thank you for that link to Prof Helen Ward's illuminating article.

I am astonished that so many people seem willing to give gvt a free pass on all their mistakes and dithering - even temporarily.

Surely the time to speak up is now rather than shout at the telly when the reports of the Public Inquiry come out in a couple of years' time? Now is exactly when there is a chance to change things for the better!

And some LG, will defend to the hilt, regardless of the consequences of poor decision.

If I was just opinionated, fair enough. But if THE EXPERTS say it, who are we to disagree?