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GagaJo Mon 13-Apr-20 09:17:55

We need to be angry. We need to hold the government to account.

Yes, many of the populace are not abiding by the very lax lockdown. BUT the government should have abided by the WHO advice to TEST, TEST, TEST. By not doing that, they will have cost tens of thousands of British deaths. Our family members, our friends, our colleagues.

When this is over / slowing down, they need to be held accountable. We had THREE months notice. We watched Italy and Spain. And yet, they did nothing.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR2jsLJsSxRe8KZ21zS-K3eLKre7QRajhPRhzpLliH2NnAJ9iQwM9Km-FmI

GrannyLaine Mon 13-Apr-20 13:15:43

janeainsworth very well said. I completely agree.

Pumpkinpie Mon 13-Apr-20 13:27:44

After 10 years of conservative government this pandemic has shone a light through the cracks of poor long term planning and a cowboy attitude to public health, education and social care.
I’m frankly amazed how anyone can say this government is doing a good job

Greymar Mon 13-Apr-20 13:36:33

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maddyone Mon 13-Apr-20 13:43:00

I agree with janeainsworth too. I understand the OP’s anger, but I think we all deal with stress differently. For some it is anger, others react differently. There is no right or wrong way to respond, every way is perfectly valid, and Gaga has every right to feel as she does.
I do feel frustrated about the slow response to the pandemic. There appeared to be plenty of lessons from China, even though they initially tried to downplay what was happening. I believe the herd immunity theory which was touted was wrong and even immoral, but the government was following the advice of scientists. Scientists themselves can’t really agree, but I blame those scientists for advocating an immoral way forward. I also feel that the lockdown is not strong enough and as long as people are mixing even as much as they are, we will not get on top of this virus. I’m also frustrated with journalists who continually ask when the lockdown is going to end. For goodness sake, we’re only into our fourth week of lockdown, this lockdown needs to last a while longer until the deaths and infection rates are down a lot lower.

Nandalot Mon 13-Apr-20 13:43:10

I should like to repeat something I posted on another thread which is worth considering about the government’s handling of the pandemic. The stock of equipment to be used in the case of a pandemic was reduced by almost 40% in the six years from 2013 despite warnings that a pandemic of a new virus was likely. Was that good government and a government acting in the interests of its people.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/revealed-value-of-uk-pandemic-stockpile-fell-by-40-in-six-years?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR3EGYers9RKbQg-wezvh7sL2yQs3ecT4sURQBbL1V31Wi3ixE7_qZeeQ6o

Chewbacca Mon 13-Apr-20 13:44:21

What an excellent post janeainsworth, well said.

maddyone Mon 13-Apr-20 13:45:18

Greymar unless you are BJ’s personal psychologist, you are stating an opinion, not a fact.

grannymy Mon 13-Apr-20 13:48:36

I agree with Gagajo. They should look to those other countries. We have lagged far behind.

It's all very well sending best wishes to Bojo, but my condolences go to all those who have lost their lives with this nasty virus.

tickingbird Mon 13-Apr-20 13:51:41

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Elegran Mon 13-Apr-20 13:55:07

You had better be able to give chapter and verse on where that is documented, Greymar or you are in danger of libelling BJ. You state it as a fact. How do you know that fact?

Smileless2012 Mon 13-Apr-20 13:56:02

Great post janeainsworth.

3nanny6 Mon 13-Apr-20 13:59:15

I can understand what you are saying Gagajo but all the countries are in unprecedented territories with this virus/pandemic and much data has had to be collected by the scientists.
Look at the death rate in America it is horrific.
I heard on the news this morning that China has reported news on some more deaths. They are all moving around again and yet the virus is still circulating over there.

Jane10 Mon 13-Apr-20 14:00:59

I agree janeainsworth.

maddyone Mon 13-Apr-20 14:05:27

tickingbird
I think what was meant by narc was that Boris is narcissistic. Only a fully qualified psychologist or psychiatrist could diagnose such a condition. What was stated is an opinion, not a fact. It’s not a complimentary opinion to hold about another person, but it is only an opinion.
I’m pleased BJ is recovering now.

Chestnut Mon 13-Apr-20 14:05:27

Save your anger for China. They let the virus loose on the world instead of containing it and eliminating it. They are 100% responsible for the deaths in every country. This will not be forgotten.

Bridgeit Mon 13-Apr-20 14:14:32

Great post Elegran

tickingbird Mon 13-Apr-20 14:14:41

I wouldn't be in charge, but then again, I'm not an ambitious narcissist with a drug habit

This was the post Maddyone. Not just a narcissist (misused but popular label) but with a drug habit too. It didn’t come across as an opinion.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 13-Apr-20 14:15:40

I agree with chestnut

Chewbacca Mon 13-Apr-20 14:18:33

You know an argument is falling apart at the seams when some posters start flinging unsubstantiated, and possibly libellous, statements as though they're fact and they have some kind of inside knowledge that no one else was privy to.

3nanny6 Mon 13-Apr-20 14:20:59

I agree with Chestnut, good post, and like I mentioned more deaths reported from there so they may even have a second phase going on. Something was mentioned about Chinese nationals repatriated from the U.K back to China and they said their people brought it in from U.K. That's good it all started with them in the first place.

Chewbacca Mon 13-Apr-20 14:22:01

Boris is a narc, several others have a cocaine habit.

shock Really? Well, you've come this far greymar, you may as well name and shame the others and let us in on how you know about Boris's "narc" problems.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Apr-20 14:23:28

It seems that most of the new cases in China are as a result of people returning from abroad.

Greymar Mon 13-Apr-20 14:24:01

Oh come and lock me up. Please somebody. Of course its an opinion. I think he displays narcissistic tendencies. I'm sure he has many good points too and I am glad he appears to be revovering.

There is no failing argument? The OP said she felt angry, I said I believe we are entitled to whatever emotions we experience.

Greymar Mon 13-Apr-20 14:25:53

Read up on it Chew, its an interesting topic. If you wish, of course.

tickingbird Mon 13-Apr-20 14:29:33

You stated he has a drug habit. Where can we read up on this drug habit?