Will you be wearing a mask?

Yes, I already do wear my mask. On the 3 occasions I`ve been out since lockdown, I see not many people wear one.

It stops spit and sneezes and coughs from you or at you.

I have made about 50 for charity, friends and family.

Exactly Parsley3. What about surgeons who spend hours in masks in operating theatres, and other medical staff?

They are commonly in daily use in countries such as China and Hong Kong and they aren’t dropping like flies.

CO2 poisoning is highly unlikely. The type of cotton and paper masks the general public are using are not air tight, and air moves through and around these masks. This is why they are not a full proof protection, but will mainly protect others from the larger droplets expired.

I went into M&S store in my local town on Friday, the first time since March and I was totally shocked.

They were wiping trolleys but weren’t restricting numbers going into the food hall, and when I bought my few items had to queue along and around aisles for ages. No distancing after the first 2 marked spaces, and people trying to reach shelves all around us.

Extremely unsafe, for customers and staff alike, and I was the only person wearing a?

Won’t be going again any time soon.

If people don’t want to wear masks for whatever reason then so be it. Those of us who do wear them will keep you safe. Just remember to give me a wide berth if you are in a shop without a face covering. I don’t want you to come within 2 metres. I was pleased to see 100% of customers and staff with face coverings in the garden centre this morning.

Hondaboy

Greetings Summerlove...I reefer you to three papers for you edification on the dangers of wearing masks
1. Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against Influenza. A systematic review and meta analysis. Younlin Long, et al.
Before you reply the Covid 19 was downgraded to the equivalent status of a 'Flu bug' in March 2020 by our Government and the WHO...
So why LOCKDOWN !!
2. Preliminary Report on Surgical Mask Induced Deoxygenation During Major Surgery. A Beder el al.
3. SNI, Immunoexcitatory mechanisms in glioma proliferation, in invasion and occasional metastasis. Russell L Blaylock.
All highlighting the consequences of wearing masks.

Might be easier by watching a few videos.....!

I don’t accept a syllable of all that Hondaboy

Well put, Honda Boy - you have obviously done a lot of research.
As for the evidence base behind the use of facemasks in surgery, the JRSM (Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine) -they examined the evidence -

Overall there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination. More rigorous contemporary research is needed to make a definitive comment on the effectiveness of surgical facemasks.

A contemporary questionnaire-based study, which attempted to assess the attitudes of surgeons, revealed that 96% of responders wore facemasks. About equal numbers did so with the primary aim of protecting the patients compared to protecting themselves. However, it was also found that 20% of responding surgeons wore the mask for the sole purpose of respecting tradition. Furthermore, 30% of responding surgeons felt that masks could make surgery more difficult by increasing breath condensation on spectacles, endoscopes and microscopes and thereby obscuring vision.
(Good point about condensation)!

The latest National Institute for Health and Care Excellence guidelines on the matter do not require operating staff to wear a mask in theatre. This decision was based primarily upon the findings of a Cochrane systematic review.

So, we have lots of info out there.
I will have respect for others by not getting too close, but I will not be driven by fear and control.

I agree with Peter Hichens today who said....

"Every day I still see unhappy, frightened people cringing from human contact. They have been terrified almost out of their minds by foolish government propaganda, and the most basic trust, the very heart of civilisation, has been destroyed.
Millions of us know this is all the most appalling rubbish, based on wild, wrong guesses and twisted figures, and one day soon I hope an icy public inquiry will condemn those responsible for the grave, incompetents they are."

Never mind anger - we need to try and relax, it is much healthier. We need to heed pathologists who do know what they are talking about and should be allowed to do more autopsies.
'You don't die because of Covid - you die with it'!

Each individual has to be allowed to make their own choices.

Hondaboy

Greetings Summerlove...I reefer you to three papers for you edification on the dangers of wearing masks
1. Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against Influenza. A systematic review and meta analysis. Younlin Long, et al.
Before you reply the Covid 19 was downgraded to the equivalent status of a 'Flu bug' in March 2020 by our Government and the WHO...
So why LOCKDOWN !!
2. Preliminary Report on Surgical Mask Induced Deoxygenation During Major Surgery. A Beder el al.
3. SNI, Immunoexcitatory mechanisms in glioma proliferation, in invasion and occasional metastasis. Russell L Blaylock.
All highlighting the consequences of wearing masks.

Might be easier by watching a few videos.....!

Your first link talks about influenza and effectiveness. Not the “dangers of wearing a mask”

Your third paper is from 2013, Surely that’s more out of date than the information I posted that had a date of June 2020? Which was commented as being too out of date?

And the second article is during surgery

None of these have to do with wearing a home made cotton mask shopping for an hour.

As far as your suggestion that I might find it easier to watch a video, that’s literally exactly what I was posting against. But thank you for the assumption that I can’t read papers.

I do wear a mask in shops and I feel better for it. It may only protect other people from my germs but I do get a false sense of security from it.
I truly believe ALL shop assistants should wear a mask or a visor and will support the first supermarket in town that introduces these.
Coronavirus is a horrible way to die and a wish not to be 'controlled' doesn't give anyone the right to infect others however unintentional it may be. Wearing a face covering isn't a big thing to ask of anyone (unless for medical reasons of course).

You don't die because of Covid - you die with it

That is one of the most irresponsible and ill-informed comments I have read.
Have you actually read the damage Covid-19 inflicts on previously healthy people, let alone those with underlying health issues?
Even the survivors can be left with kidney failure, irreparably scarred lungs, heart damage, circulatory problems ,sometimes necessitating amputations .
Organ failure and sepsis are common and even for the lucky ones who do not have permanent organ damage, extreme fatigue, breathlessness, muscle wastage, sensory and intellectual weakness are common long term side effects.
Sufferers may die of heart failure, pulmonary embolisms, sepsis, pneumonia, liver or kidney failure - but no prizes for guessing what caused these. ???

MawB

^You don't die because of Covid - you die with it^

That is one of the most irresponsible and ill-informed comments I have read.
Have you actually read the damage Covid-19 inflicts on previously healthy people, let alone those with underlying health issues?
Even the survivors can be left with kidney failure, irreparably scarred lungs, heart damage, circulatory problems ,sometimes necessitating amputations .
Organ failure and sepsis are common and even for the lucky ones who do not have permanent organ damage, extreme fatigue, breathlessness, muscle wastage, sensory and intellectual weakness are common long term side effects.
Sufferers may die of heart failure, pulmonary embolisms, sepsis, pneumonia, liver or kidney failure - but no prizes for guessing what caused these. ???

I think they are suggesting that the virus dies with the people that contract it and die- But that has already been proven to be false-

Not how I read it Rosecarmel. I think the poster was saying Covid-19 itself doesn’t kill, rather like the cliché about Prostate Cancer, that more men die with it, than of it. Which simply reflects that in some older men it can progress so slowly that they die of old age instead. Sadly not so often the case these days.

MawB

Not how I read it Rosecarmel. I think the poster was saying Covid-19 itself doesn’t kill, rather like the cliché about Prostate Cancer, that more men die with it, than of it. Which simply reflects that in some older men it can progress so slowly that they die of old age instead. Sadly not so often the case these days.

I see-

All in all, it's a sad circumstance- People are still comparing it to seasonal flu- It's July- Since when have hospitals reached capacity from influenza in the month of July?

Today I had an email from Seasalt, where I buy tops now and then - saying that their own face masks in Seasalt cotton prints ‘will be coming soon.’
Nearly £20 for 3, but I suppose that at least they’ll be washable.

rosecarmel

MawB

Not how I read it Rosecarmel. I think the poster was saying Covid-19 itself doesn’t kill, rather like the cliché about Prostate Cancer, that more men die with it, than of it. Which simply reflects that in some older men it can progress so slowly that they die of old age instead. Sadly not so often the case these days.

I see-

All in all, it's a sad circumstance- People are still comparing it to seasonal flu- It's July- Since when have hospitals reached capacity from influenza in the month of July?

I don’t know where you get your information from, Rosecarmel
Nobody is comparing it to flu - other than the Donald.

Our hospitals in the U.K. have not reached capacity with Covid-19 patients.
In England currently 2088 beds out of a total of 91,975 are occupied by Covid patients and 190 ICU beds out of a total of 2,287
Capacity?
Hardly.

“The latest National Institute for Health and Care Excellence guidelines on the matter do not require operating staff to wear a mask in theatre. “
Wow really ?

Yes because we have been told we have to wear them in shops and on public transport.

MawB

rosecarmel

MawB

Not how I read it Rosecarmel. I think the poster was saying Covid-19 itself doesn’t kill, rather like the cliché about Prostate Cancer, that more men die with it, than of it. Which simply reflects that in some older men it can progress so slowly that they die of old age instead. Sadly not so often the case these days.

I see-

All in all, it's a sad circumstance- People are still comparing it to seasonal flu- It's July- Since when have hospitals reached capacity from influenza in the month of July?

I don’t know where you get your information from, Rosecarmel
Nobody is comparing it to flu - other than the Donald.

Our hospitals in the U.K. have not reached capacity with Covid-19 patients.
In England currently 2088 beds out of a total of 91,975 are occupied by Covid patients and 190 ICU beds out of a total of 2,287
Capacity?
Hardly.

That's a condescending, ignorant, bias response- But expected- ?

I keep forgetting that the hospital beds in the UK are royal -- and the only ones in the whole, wide world ..

Donald is the only person in the whole wide world comparing the virus to the flu- Isn't that a limited view-

I think I'm going to change my user name to MawBrose- And only wear white clothes-

Check out any American news report mawb. They are surging in cases. Many states have full hospitals.
Many regular people believe these masks don’t help and this is like the flu.

America is burning. Sure, they are doing it to themselves, but it’s burning none the less.

They also think this is the second wave. But that’s another issue.

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I’d like to agree with the poster who asked people who refuse to wear a mask (mandatory here in Scotland) to give her a wide berth. Please, if you have any concern at all for others, avoid them in shops and enclosed spaces. Please.

Still no idea what Rosecarmel was on about. Anybody else like that delicious dessert Atholl Brose?

Anyway, back to the thread subject - hard as that may be to accept - and answering OP’s question.
Will you be wearing a mask?
When appropriate -yes and this is how to treat it.

To be fair, I think rosecarmel was saying that it is ridiculous to compare it to seasonal flu as we don't, in the northern hemisphere, get seasonal flu in July, and that therefore, the hospitals in the USA which are full are not full of flu patients!

rosecarmel

MawB

rosecarmel

MawB

Not how I read it Rosecarmel. I think the poster was saying Covid-19 itself doesn’t kill, rather like the cliché about Prostate Cancer, that more men die with it, than of it. Which simply reflects that in some older men it can progress so slowly that they die of old age instead. Sadly not so often the case these days.

I see-

All in all, it's a sad circumstance- People are still comparing it to seasonal flu- It's July- Since when have hospitals reached capacity from influenza in the month of July?

I don’t know where you get your information from, Rosecarmel
Nobody is comparing it to flu - other than the Donald.

Our hospitals in the U.K. have not reached capacity with Covid-19 patients.
In England currently 2088 beds out of a total of 91,975 are occupied by Covid patients and 190 ICU beds out of a total of 2,287
Capacity?
Hardly.

That's a condescending, ignorant, bias response- But expected- ?

I keep forgetting that the hospital beds in the UK are royal -- and the only ones in the whole, wide world ..

Donald is the only person in the whole wide world comparing the virus to the flu- Isn't that a limited view-

I think I'm going to change my user name to MawBrose- And only wear white clothes-

Perhaps I should apologise for not getting the full meaning as Rosecarmel did not specify the US.

I keep forgetting that the hospital beds in the UK are royal -- and the only ones in the whole, wide world ..

I do not regard our hospital beds as “Royal” (why on earth should I, but was speaking I think for the majority of members who are in the U.K. )

This however is less easy to stomach.
That's a condescending, ignorant, bias response- But expected- ?
In an attempt to defend myself from unwarranted personal attacks like this I have replied that I will no longer engage with such gratuitous and increasingly *** insults and incomprehensible wandering.

I apologise for the redacted word and withdraw it but fail to see how a simple objective expression of understanding of how Trump got elected warrants deletion?

grannypiper

Yes because we have been told we have to wear them in shops and on public transport.

Which post are you answering?

MawB sympathies. I have tried and failed to understand what this was all about!!