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no vaccine for under 50s says vaccine head in UK

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rootingpowder Mon 05-Oct-20 11:53:04

Does this mean that no under 50 years carer in a non institutional setting will get the vaccine? As a vaccine is only likely to reduce the risk by 60/75% an unvaccinated under fifty carer may well repeatedly expose their charge to covid. Has the governments advice on this changed. I was under the impression, all carers in whatever setting would be vaccinated. Now they are saying only in formal places and over 50. What do people think?

vickymeldrew Mon 05-Oct-20 11:57:18

I think it’s too early to think !

Whitewavemark2 Mon 05-Oct-20 12:02:08

Could you pay for one? My son aged 48 had one done last week, he’s pays every year to have a flu jab after he suffered a dose of flu a few years ago and understanding what a nasty thing it is.

Illte Mon 05-Oct-20 12:35:23

No, she quite clearly said carers would get the vaccine. Like the flu vaccine now. You get it if you're a carer regardless of age.

Marydoll Mon 05-Oct-20 12:43:44

You can also get it if you are under 50 in Scotland have certain health conditions.
Both my son and daughter are having theirs at the doctors next week.

My young nephew works for a large financial institution in London where all staff are offered flu vaccine.
They have been told this year, that it will not be happening, as there is not enough vaccine to go around.

Callistemon Mon 05-Oct-20 12:58:44

Which vaccine do you mean, rootingpowder?
If you mean this year's flu vaccine then the normal rules apply I think.

25Avalon Mon 05-Oct-20 13:09:01

I think they are taking the view that the younger population won’t need the coronavirus vaccine, so it will be for everyone who is at risk, but it’s not absolutely defined as yet. The worrying thing is that many younger people have suffered serious health problems from having the virus which are ongoing and could affect their health for many years.

Jaxjacky Mon 05-Oct-20 13:09:34

I think OP is talking about the Covid vaccine, news earlier today.

rootingpowder Mon 05-Oct-20 13:55:19

Yes, its the covid news that worries me. Someone can get it every 4 months or so, as their immunity falls, so younger people who have no vaccination are likely over the fullness of time to get repeated infections, even asymptomatic ones and to infect the elderly or sick or at risk.

Because, there's not total immunity from a vaccine only reduced chance of getting it.

If you have repeated exposure to others with covid, you stand a good chance of getting it regardless of a vaccine.

Those at risk groups only get a reduction in risk from a vaccine, not total immunity, as their immunity after a vaccine is likely to reduce the risk only by about 60/80 percent. And those figures may fall the older you are.

You can't achieve herd immunity through a vaccine if not everyone gets it. It seems to me we are getting the usual mixed messaging. Hancock says everyone will be vaccinated, its just the roll out that's prioritised.

Head of vaccine for the government says no one under 50. Which is it?

If all carers get it, regardless of setting that's great news.

The governments response is, as usual, chaotic.

Illte Mon 05-Oct-20 14:11:30

She actually said it was an adult only vaccine and would not be given to under 18s.

The Joint Committee on Vaccination has set a priority list and the Government have agreed with this.

Where's the muddle?

Oh, in the Press ?

Illte Mon 05-Oct-20 14:12:15

And the people who want you to think there's a muddle??

maddyone Mon 05-Oct-20 14:20:11

That seems clear enough Illte. I’ve heard that the difficulty of vaccinating the whole population quickly is the problem and so initially only those at risk would get it. I think that means over 50s or 55s, people with certain conditions or on cancer treatment, and all health workers. Pretty much like getting the flu vaccine now.

Illte Mon 05-Oct-20 14:29:36

It's easy to find the agreed priority list on the Web.

It goes

Adults in care homes and care workers

Adults over 80 and health and social care workers

Adults over 75

Adults over 65

And so on

Other criteria were considered such as ethnicity or underlying conditions but it was decided that this was the quickest, most effective rollout.

At the Virtual Conference, the Heath Secretary voiced his support for the programme.

Like I said, wheres the confusion?

Why do some people want to stir up what doesn't exist. ?

sparklingsilver28 Mon 05-Oct-20 14:45:45

In the 1950s, I had "Asian Flu". People were dropping like "nine pins". The wife of my brother's friend, recently married, died in her early twenties. Old school friend, a nurse on "Men's Medical" Birmingham General, told me none of the then patients expected to survive to go home.

Point of this! I have never had flu since neither have I had a flu jab - my GP believes I must still have immunity. Strange since there have been many differing flu strains.

sparklingsilver28 Mon 05-Oct-20 14:46:38

Hope the Covid vaccine works as well!

Kate1949 Mon 05-Oct-20 14:52:16

I have had mine cancelled by the pharmacy even though I booked it two weeks ago. They have run out. So I rang GP surgery. I am now on a waiting list!

Toadinthehole Tue 06-Oct-20 12:33:40

Are you talking about the flu vaccine Kate? I overheard a conversation in Sainsbury’s pharmacy this morning. It sounded like the man....over 65 he said, was there to have his flu vaccine which had been cancelled due to high demand. The assistant was saying it’s the same all over. Typical! I’ve never had a flu jab. I’ve never had flu. Now I want one.....?

BlueBelle Tue 06-Oct-20 14:34:54

Well we haven’t got a Covid vaccine and aren’t likely to have one for a good while so why all the judgements about it now

If you are talking about the flu yearly vaccine anyone over 65 or under if they have certain health related problems gets it free whether at the doctors or the pharmacy If you re under 65 with no underlying problems I think it’s about £15

If you’re talking about a Covid vaccination there isn’t any

Franbern Tue 06-Oct-20 14:45:15

They (Government) originally said that when/if a covid vaccine becomes available it would be rolled out to the entire population. Easily said, when (A) there is no such vaccine and (B) no idea if one will ever be available.

Now, they are saying that when/if such a vaccine becomes available, it will be difficult to manufacture enough for the entire adult population so the choice will have to be made at the point whether to use it to (A) try to halt to spread of the virus or (B) to prevent vulnerable people getting it.

At present it appears as if B is the one they are think they will go with.

BUT.....who know? If and When there will be such a vaccine- they keep (and have for the past six months) talk about it being available in months whereas it could take years. Also, there is no doubt that a lot of people are concerned that if such a vaccine does happen quickly, how long-term safe it will be (normally vaccines take 8-10 years with testing, etc.), and even ardent pro-vaxers are saying they would not be happy to have something that had not undergone such long-term tests.

Think so much of this talk about a vaccine being available so quickly it just some sort of panacea to keep us going along with some of the many silly rules that they make, change and then change again.

BlueBelle Tue 06-Oct-20 15:43:04

I agree franbern I don’t understand why people are getting so worked up about it now it’s not going to be around for maybe years and whose going to want to take a rushed through vaccine
Much better if they concentrate on finding medications to lesson the shock to the body of the virus and stop people from having to be hospitalised That way people will build up the needed immunity and it will gradually peter out

growstuff Tue 06-Oct-20 17:00:43

Sorry, but the so-called herd immunity theory has been debunked. The only thing people can do is make sure they don't get infected.

BlueBelle Tue 06-Oct-20 17:47:46

Exactly griwstuff so the elderly infirm or frightened stay at home and the rest get on with keeping the economy going by working, school etc etc What other way is there ?

B9exchange Tue 06-Oct-20 17:53:15

The only encouraging news is that they are planning to give the distribution of the vaccine supplies to the army, rather than the dreadful Serco. Look how well the army coped with building the Nightingales!

Ellianne Tue 06-Oct-20 18:13:42


The only encouraging news is that they are planning to give the distribution of the vaccine supplies to the army, rather than the dreadful Serco. Look how well the army coped with building the Nightingales!

Well let's hope those in the military receive their own vaccinations then.
They live in close quarters, they are deployed all over the place, they're going to be distributing the vaccines and they protect our country. It would be folly not to put them near the front of the queue, along with teachers.

Ellianne Tue 06-Oct-20 18:17:40

You're right franbern, there's far too many "ifs" at the moment to get excited about a vaccine. But I guess they have to start from somewhere.