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Up to the 2nd December.

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Nanawind Sun 01-Nov-20 08:48:52

Boris says national lockdown until 2nd Dec. Does anyone else think we will get to that date and it will be extended.
This is what happened in March kept being extended until July.
People are fixed on Christmas but unless they close schools, colleges and universities this virus is not going anywhere.

boodymum67 Sun 01-Nov-20 13:55:02

I am not in the extra vulnerable group, but I do have MS.

I stayed home for 9 weeks in the first big lockdown.

Tomorrow I will go out and buy the things I use for my pasttimes...sewing stuff! I`m also making Christmas wreaths. So I`ll get some bits for that too.

After that I will stay home , hoping I can see my family at Christmas.

I know not everyone can stay home, but if at least they wear their masks, wash hands etc we may have a family Christmas.

Stay safe everyone x

Harmonypuss Sun 01-Nov-20 13:57:04

I'm in the position of living alone with a pre-existing condition and not having seen my son at all since last December and my partner since June 2019 (yes, both last year) because they both live/work about 200 miles away from me, and now, just as I've convinced my partner to take a weekend off work to 'support' me, we're under threat of being keep separate for even longer.
Is this thing that is (extremely loosely) termed 'life' actually worth having? It really doesn't seem that way to me if I'm not allowed to see my loved ones. Bring on the virus, maybe it'll put an end to my enforced solitude.

Happilyretired123 Sun 01-Nov-20 13:57:54

What about those of us who are vulnerable but live with family members who are at school/work? Not a practical solution or a desirable one for the elderly/disabled who already have not seen anyone for months.

lizzypopbottle Sun 01-Nov-20 13:59:59

There was a description in the paper I read that fitted the situation really well. It's like kicking a can down the road!

GrannyGravy13 Sun 01-Nov-20 14:00:44

700 people at an illegal rave in Bristol, 300 at an illegal rave in Wigan...........and folks wonder why infection rates are rising???
(on BBC website)

Whatever legislation is brought in there will
always be those who are so totally selfish and have a total disregard for the law. The ^ I’m alright Jacks^ of this world. I truly despair and can honestly see periods of national lockdowns for the foreseeable future with untold harm to the economy, mental health, along with those folks with undiagnosed cancer and other health issues.

Riverwalk Sun 01-Nov-20 14:05:54

Plunger

Until the idiots take things seriously this chaos will continue. Speaking to a local GP. GP had a call from woman wanting antibiotics. GP goes through her symptoms. Dry cough, loss of smell and taste etc. Classic Covid19 symptoms. Told to get a test. Refused and demanded antibiotics. GP reiterated for her to be tested. She refused and when told to isolate with her 2 children stated that people should keep away from her. So she and her family have infected an unknown number of people. Unfortunately Covid19 is not notifiable so GP can do nothing.

Covid-19 is notifiable, surely the GP knows that?

Bluecat Sun 01-Nov-20 14:16:53

We have weak, indecisive leadership that repeatedly fails to act at the right time, and then does too little too late. Lock down, testing, travel restrictions... All done too late and, in the case of test and trace, done very badly. On top of that, millions have been wasted on unfulfilled contracts for things like PPE. I don't feel sorry for Johnson. This is our biggest crisis since the war - I am just thankful that dithering Johnson and his corrupt crew aren't leading us through an actual war.

I think that those who say that people won't co-operate underestimate our country. People are prepared to make sacrifices to save lives. What's intolerable is the confusion that surrounds so many of the government's decisions, and the incompetence which has made a fiasco of our "world-beating" test system.

If we want to see what life would be like without restrictions, look at America. The virus is out of control there. I read an article by a British woman living there who said that they watched with envy when the UK was outraged by Dominic Cummings's jaunt. Over there, there were no restrictions on spreading the virus. My DD lives in Madison, Wisconsin and says that the infection rate has soared since the University of Wisconsin reopened. In April the Governor, a Democrat, had brought in a partial lock down but the Republicans went to court and got it overturned. Now they are trying to get the rule on mask-wearing overturned. Meanwhile the hospitals are full.

Frankly, Christmas is a red herring. (And if the Hindus can do Diwali, which is 12 days away, in lockdown, we can do Christmas.) The scientists have warned that, if we don't act now, we could have 85,000 deaths. Thousands every day. A lot of us could be dead by Christmas.

And when I say us, I mean us - the grannies and grandads. We have a duty, not only to ourselves but to our families and to the country, to take every precaution. It's our lives they're trying to save.

Johnr Sun 01-Nov-20 14:20:43

I know its reverse logic, but if Uni's can stay open then students won't be spreading whatever bug they are at present exposed to. This will protect a lot of vulnerable people. If the new quick tests work we can use them in schools so we can keep education going however interupted. Added to which one fine day Vaccines will come.

Harris27 Sun 01-Nov-20 14:22:01

Very deepressed with whole situation wish it was a year from now but will we be any better please give me hope!

FlotheCrow Sun 01-Nov-20 14:24:24

And if you believe that ...

varian Sun 01-Nov-20 14:31:38

When a friend in Austria felt ill he called the well-advertised covid test number (run by the Austrian Red Cross) and shortly after a tester in full protective kit arrived on his doorstep to administer the test, which fortunately turned out to be negative.

Contrast that experience with the absurd system in the UK when sick Londoners were told to travel to Aberystwith or Aberdeen for a test. When interviewers challenged Matt Hancock, pointing out that a sick person, or someone with a sick child, should not have to travel hundreds of miles either in a car, or by public transport, possibly infecting many others in the process, he was told that the system had been improved so that no-one would have to travel more than seventy five miles for a test!

Happilyretired123 Sun 01-Nov-20 14:31:58

Carolpaint
“We have a high death rate because of the NHS being too successful, people are living that should not be. Many of our fittest have to work long shifts because of wimps that have decided their previous illness precludes them coming in duty, others that have to work have have have to do their duty. Many nurses, midwives, teachers, transport workers are having to carry all the slope shoulders.#

I think your comment is offensive. It is horrifying that you imply there are people who should be left to die. You are also not in a position to know the medical details of people you refer to as “wimps”. I do hope you are not employed as a health or care worker.

Bazwheat Sun 01-Nov-20 14:33:02

Air or
Hair

Violettham Sun 01-Nov-20 14:42:41

Yes I do. Feel as if I am going to spend almost a year indoors

cupcake1 Sun 01-Nov-20 14:56:05

Shropshirelass and JaneRn
I couldn’t agree with you more! Uncharted territory it’s so easy to point fingers. I for one would hate to have to make such decisions, no one would get it right all of the time especially when there are such differing ‘words of advice’ bombarding you in every direction. Unfortunately a great many people have flouted the rules or twisted them to suit themselves and/or lifestyles it’s no wonder we’re in such a state. As for Christmas is this all some folk worry about? I’d love to see my family but I honestly just want a quiet one why undo any good work that will hopefully be achieved we’ll all go backwards very quickly if restrictions are eased because of it. Covid won’t back off just because it’s Christmas ! Stay safe everyone.

sharon103 Sun 01-Nov-20 15:05:38

Jane10

I feel sorry for the govt. They can't win. They have one group of scientists saying they must lockdown and another saying no just isolate the vulnerable and get back to life. One school lobby saying schools must close but another saying its vital they stay open. Unis should close vs unis must stay open etc. Meanwhile, somehow the economy must be considered. Absolutely no easy answers. No matter what they do a whole lot of people will be furious and the arm hair experts will continue their online heckling! It's a sair fecht.

I agree Jane10.

Alioop Sun 01-Nov-20 15:18:23

Two weeks now in N.Ireland on a circuit breaker, not much change in positive cases. Our shops still open and schools closed. Shops are heaving with families every day getting Xmas sorted. Now kids back to school tomorrow which is better than them running amok around shops and streets. They need an education so getting together in school wearing masks than outside not caring, to me far wiser. Two weeks left of pubs, restaurants, beauty etc, closed so it will be interesting to see what happens with them. Local news saying only 12 ventilator beds left here so very worrying for us. People seem more worried about not having Xmas than getting Covid. I know which one I would choose....good luck with your lockdown and hope it works well for you all.x

Blossoming Sun 01-Nov-20 15:20:28

I am one of the people that Carolpaint believes should not be living. The NHS saved my life and enabled me to have a long and productive career and be a higher rate tax payer. I also do a great deal of voluntary work. So not just a useless drain on society.

How can some people presume to value one life above another in this way? Presumably they also think Stephen Hawking should have been denied life saving treatment early on in his career.

I haven’t seen my family for 11 months. I’ll do what I can to keep myself and others safe,

allule Sun 01-Nov-20 15:22:24

All this sympathy for the government!
They talk about following the science, then ignore it till it is too late.
They have wasted incredible amounts of our money giving contracts to crony firms with no experience, and not even put in penalty clauses for failure.
They boasted of building Nightingale Hispitals, with no plans for staffing them.
Do you notice how benefits etc are 'taxpayers money' , but covid compensation is presented as government largesse?
It horrifies me that these huge decisions are at the whim of one man, even if that man were not Boris Johnson, supported by his hand picked sycophants.

I think our poor NHS workers are going to need more than clapping to keep them going this time.

Rose30 Sun 01-Nov-20 15:39:25

I'd like to know if it is going to make any difference in Wales which started is "firebreak" 10 days ago. So far the rates have continued to rise.
Firebreak, circuit breaker? Wish they wouldn't keep changing the terms. Our local council tells us we are at Medium level - what does that mean? Which tier? Personally I agree with the posters here who say it's been a massive over-reaction. So do most of the older people I talk to. But we don't get consulted........

Kamiso Sun 01-Nov-20 15:41:32

Too many “experts” putting their opinions out on the internet so people think they can pick what suits them. Some people seem to expect a rigid set of unchanging rules but the virus just won’t play fair. 700 people attending a rave in Bristol and some attacking the police for intervening. Only the organisers being fined. Those attending knew it was wrong but don’t care who they might pass it on to.

At least we are not in Italy - There is a strong recommendation from the Italian Government that people do not travel by public or private transport except for work, study or health reasons, or for reasons of necessity.
Social distancing of one metre must be observed.
The use of masks is mandatory in all public spaces, whether outdoors or indoors. You should pay close attention to signage when travelling and carry a mask with you at all times.
Only four people can sit together at a restaurant, bar or café. These venues must close 6pm, although they can offer takeaway service until midnight.
Some regions have introduced nightly curfews or restrictions on movement; you should check regional websites to see if these will apply to you.
Theatres, cinemas and concert venues are closed.
Dance activity in nightclubs and open air venues has been suspended and parties are not permitted.
Museums and archaeological sites are open but entry must be pre-booked.
Parks are open and outdoor exercise is permitted, subject to social distancing. Contact sport is banned and sports centres, swimming pools, spas and wellness centres are closed.
Funerals are permitted to take place with limited attendance. Churches can celebrate mass, weddings and baptisms. Receptions following civil and religious ceremonies are banned.
Conferences and trade fairs are banned, unless held online.

Kamiso Sun 01-Nov-20 15:42:57

Their new second wave lockdown rules - oh for an edit button.

PECS Sun 01-Nov-20 15:53:06

jane10 you say "I feel sorry for the govt. They can't win."

Welcome to the world of leadership! It is the government & PMs job to make the RIGHT decision regardless of who like or does not like it!
He is happy to make decisions thay upset at least 48% of the electorate..he must be used to it by now. Save feeling sorry for that struggling independent business, or the person who is grieving alone....

Franbern Sun 01-Nov-20 15:54:59

I do NOT feel sorry for the PM or for the Government. Most of those involved have actually used this Pandemic to make a total fortune for themselves. Contracts have been handed out to them and their mates without any competitive tendering, and most of those contracts have been disasterous - (not for them - but for US the poor taxpaying Jo Public).

Whilst so many people are literally worried sick (many to the point of suicide), as to how they are going to manage financially, so many shops and business having gone to the wall, these politicians firstly happily paid themselves a bonus for having to work from home, and then just as happily voted themselves a three grand a year pay rise.

Wow!!! and then people on here write how sorry they are for them. Please spare that sorry, for the children who are had their half term free school meals denied to them, to the families whose crushing economic problems are leading to them totally breaking up, to those people 'locked down' in small homes, with abusive partners, to all those people who have had their lives forever changed and disrupted by losing their jobs and/or business.

The government have also done such an excellent job (using the adage of DIVIDE AND RULE), of getting victims to blame each other. Spread of the virus is the fault of (Multiple choice question) - note: those elected to govern the country not included in this - nothing they can do is wrong
(A) schools, (B) Universities, (C) beach goers, (D) Those eating out in restaurants, (E) Those not using masks (F) Those attending 'Black Life Matters' demos (G)Those using /not using public transport (H) everyone else outside my own family.

Grandmama Sun 01-Nov-20 16:00:08

I'm with Bluebelle. The collateral damage is likely to be worse than the virus.