Vaccine groups

Greeneyedgirl

The vacc doesn’t prevent infection 100%!!

Do you want to borrow my brick wall Greeneyedgirl?

Those in care homes aren't out and about are they growstuff? I'm talking about those mingling in the community and collective responsibility.
You make me laugh, I do actually have green eyes!

Are you trying to pinch my user name ??

Green eyes are often considered as having a certain mystery in them. People with green eyes are found to be mostly curious by nature and are intelligent. They have an incredible zest for life.

No vaccination or medicine or indeed any medical procedure can promise you 100% success.

If I was trapped in a burning building and the fire brigade said there was only a 90% chance of saving me, I would rather they got on and tried than held back until someone came along who could guarantee me a 100% of rescue

farview

I'm really really not sure yet that I would want the vaccine...and if I had to have it...my gut feeling would be for the Oxford vaccine....tin hat on now and behind the settee...

Budge up behind the settee and I'll join you. The Oxford vaccine seems an excellent option. It doesn't need complicated storage and is much cheaper.

Absolutely MOnica. I was trying to make the point that even after vaccination, people should still exercise caution.

OceanMama

farview

I'm really really not sure yet that I would want the vaccine...and if I had to have it...my gut feeling would be for the Oxford vaccine....tin hat on now and behind the settee...

I'll come join you. I'm quite happy to let other groups go first. It gives us a chance to see what happens among that group and learn more about the vaccine when used more widely. I'd like that kind of data before I make a decision.

I'd like to wait too. Do you think you will get a choice of vaccines, Oceanmama? I heard a suggestion they might insist on having had the vaccine to let people enter certain place when they open, like gyms and pools.

vickya

OceanMama

farview

I'm really really not sure yet that I would want the vaccine...and if I had to have it...my gut feeling would be for the Oxford vaccine....tin hat on now and behind the settee...

I'll come join you. I'm quite happy to let other groups go first. It gives us a chance to see what happens among that group and learn more about the vaccine when used more widely. I'd like that kind of data before I make a decision.

I'd like to wait too. Do you think you will get a choice of vaccines, Oceanmama? I heard a suggestion they might insist on having had the vaccine to let people enter certain place when they open, like gyms and pools.

I doubt we will get a choice. If an individual location has more than one brand available and we have a preference, I'd think some of them might be accommodating.

I also think evidence of vaccination will be required for particular activities, like getting on a plane. I think that will happen almost globally. It's all just wait and see at the moment.

I'm curious to know what people are waiting for and how long they will wait.

I can't see how people could be offered a choice of vaccine, if one was the Pfizer one. My understanding is that once the doses have been taken out of extremely cold storage, they must be used within a limited time. People won't be able to turn up and say they want an alternative because there would be doses left over at the end of the vaccination sessions and somebody would have to ring round offering it to other members of the community.

It's going to be a logistical nightmare anyway without making the whole thing more complicated than it needs to be.

I agree with you MOnica. If you're over 70 and are admitted to critical care with Covid, you sadly have a 3 in 5 chance of dying. The risk is higher for males and certain pre-existing conditions. Even people who feel fit and healthy are at high risk.

The vaccine offers up to a 90% chance of not having severe symptoms and not being admitted to critical care.

The average infection national infection rate is currently estimated at 2%, which means 1 in 50 people are infected eg 40 at any one time in a large comprehensive school, 1 or more in a supermarket, etc. Even in a family group of six, there is a 1 in 8 chance somebody is infected.

The only safe alternative for anybody over 70 without a vaccine is to shield for years and I don't think anybody really wants that. I feel especially sorry for people in care homes who can't even receive visitors safely. Unfortunately, there are people who don't seem to think the lives and the quality of life of the elderly matter.

growstuff, why do you say posters think 'there are people who don't seem to think the lives and the quality of life of the elderly matter'?
If we are on Gransnet, then presumably none of us are in the first flush of youth. All of us would hope for care and dignity in our final years, surely.

Sarnia the way old people in care homes have been treated during COVID has been brutal and undoubtedly contributed to an increase in non-COVID deaths during the COVID period.

I think this is why growstuff said what she said - and I agree with her. If a fraction of the time spent on concern about children, their education, and their mental and physical health had been spent on thinking about the old, very frail and often mentally disabled, then we could have found more innovative ways of protecting their mental and physical health and the lives of those caring for them.

I will very happily take whatever vaccine I am offered as soon as I am offered it. Do not care who makes it - just be happy to have that needle
I have never asked anything about who makes, etc the flu vaccine which I have been having for the past 18 years.

M0nica

Sarnia the way old people in care homes have been treated during COVID has been brutal and undoubtedly contributed to an increase in non-COVID deaths during the COVID period.

I think this is why growstuff said what she said - and I agree with her. If a fraction of the time spent on concern about children, their education, and their mental and physical health had been spent on thinking about the old, very frail and often mentally disabled, then we could have found more innovative ways of protecting their mental and physical health and the lives of those caring for them.

Thank you MOnica. I'm glad somebody understands what I've been going on about.

It was reported in the DM that only 0.3% of those in Care Homes had received the vaccine despite being high priority.
My mother is 96, living at home dependent on carers x 4 daily, and I have been informed that “they have no idea” when she will receive the vaccine.
Considering that the new Covid variant is considered more transmissible I think there is a risk of seeing a similar scenario in Care Homes as earlier in the year. I really hope not.

Greeneyedgirl I've been reading dozens of posts on Twitter saying the same ie that the elderly in care homes haven't been receiving it. Some areas are reporting that they've run out of doses or never received their allocation in the first place.

My brother is getting the vaccine tomorrow. 69 No health issues. Surgery just rang and offered it to him.

Kate1949 that's reassuring as I've been wondering how far in the queue I am, but of course it will depend on where you live and lots of other things

My brother was surprised to be asked so soon. My 93 year old neighbour hasn't heard from her surgery, so yes it must depend on where you live. My brother is in the same city as us but about ten miles away. He is going to ask tomorrow how come he's been offered it.

I think the vaccine roll out has been quite haphazard, but good for your brother that he’s getting it.

I'm beyond worrying who has the vaccine first or last, but glad to hear the surgery has the sense to call in your mobile, healthy and ready to respond 69 year old brother Kate whatever the reasoning.

Sarnia in answer to your question why there are posters who think the lives of the elderly don't matter, that isn't at all true. There was a heated discussion where a couple of posters with 90+ parents said they would prefer younger working people to be vaccinated before these older folk. It was actually the 90 pluses who had expressed this wish too. Some readers got very uppity and accusations flew about not valuing older inactive people.

Ellianne

Sarnia in answer to your question why there are posters who think the lives of the elderly don't matter, that isn't at all true. There was a heated discussion where a couple of posters with 90+ parents said they would prefer younger working people to be vaccinated before these older folk. It was actually the 90 pluses who had expressed this wish too. Some readers got very uppity and accusations flew about not valuing older inactive people.

I haven't read that post. My remark was to another poster mentioning that. It is a very thorny issue with differing views to which we are all entitled.

You are so right to say we are all entitled to our views Sarnia on that issue. Our opinions are often shaped by our own experiences.
My parents died when I was young,, so for the last 40 years I have not had the responsibility for elderly relatives. I don't think that makes me any less compassionate, but it has made me value the lives of my own children and grandchildren more. That is maybe why I am perhaps more concerned about children, their education, and their mental and physical health than worrying about the very old. This also ties in with your opening comment about who it is that will be getting this country back on its feet economically.

I think it would be only fair to get the teachers vaccinated.