Oxford Vaccine approved

Fantastic news. Could this be the start to the move to normality?

Lucca

I am making it my business to report posts which contain or link to fake news

And another one bites the dust.?

I’ll do that too Lucca,
Strength in numbers

Whether or not you trust our government is irrelevant if you trust our medical professionals they are the ones leading the roll out of the vaccines

I posted today’s update growstuff, which did provide a bit more detail - although what you’re looking for exactly isn’t available yet for public consumption, I’m sure it will come. I do trust the Joint Committee, they would not approve the vaccine without certainty of efficacy.

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Untrue. www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/23/fact-check-nurse-who-fainted-after-being-vaccinated-alive/4024424001/

Ziggy. That is nonsense. Fact check.

www.wrcbtv.com/story/43111315/fact-check-chi-memorial-nurse-who-fainted-after-getting-covid19-vaccine-is-doing-fine

Crossed posts Casdon
I’ve reported it too.

Weve all been told that you could have covid without showing any symproms of the virus, on the NHS website it states;

"If you've recently tested positive for coronavirus – even if you have no symptoms – you should wait until 4 weeks after the date you were tested before getting the vaccine."

Its pretty clear that there should be a 4 week wait after testing positive.If you unknowingly have covid with no symptoms and are vaccinated, whats going to happen, is the vaccine still going to work? what will the side effects be?

So why is this happening, anyone know?

Dr Helen Salisbury
@HelenRSalisbury
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Can I ask
@MattHancock
to come & do a shift on our phones, ringing our 80+ pts to explain that their 2nd dose of vaccine has been cancelled?
Our PCN needs to cancel 1160 appts & rebook another 1160. At 5 mins per phone call, that's 193 hours work. Not to mention the grief & anger

Oh I’ve just read the reason. Apparently the regulatory bodies have given approval of a regime not yet trialled, which is to give just one injection followed by another 12 weeks later, and not the recommended 4 weeks.

Blimey I hope they don’t completely balls it up!

The reason is because they are panicking over the spiralling number of cases and deaths.

Well I wish with all my being that the risk of a decision without scientific back-up bears fruit. Things must be bad for them to take such a decision,

Whitewavemark2

So why is this happening, anyone know?

Dr Helen Salisbury
@HelenRSalisbury
·
8h
Can I ask
@MattHancock
to come & do a shift on our phones, ringing our 80+ pts to explain that their 2nd dose of vaccine has been cancelled?
Our PCN needs to cancel 1160 appts & rebook another 1160. At 5 mins per phone call, that's 193 hours work. Not to mention the grief & anger

Possibly, not enough shots have yet been secured for the entire UK population to give two doses and the government have it in their heads that one dose is better than none!! The government are useless with numbers! and everything Covid related!!

Pfizer have said that they can’t support the U.K. decision over spreading the injection to more weeks than the data shows is necessary.

Perhaps it would be more sensible to continue as planned with the Pfizer?

Oh god I can see another cock-up in the making .

Please no!

I don’t know, but assume this is for the Oxford vaccine because the preliminary results showed that it’s more effective if there is longer than 4 weeks between the doses - I haven’t seen anywhere where 12 weeks came from though. The Pfizer vaccine is effective with a 4 week gap so surely they won’t delay the second dose for that?

AstraZeneca approve the longer interlude, so that’s fine.

Genty You are concerned about what would happen if you have symptomless CoVid and get the vaccine less than four weeks after wards. I don't think it would make any difference to the vaccine working - that and the natural reaction to the virus would work together, not against each other. As for side effects, I don't see why the chance of having those would be any greater.

www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines

Thank you Genty for the link to the statement. So it is to be 4 to 12 weeks for the Astra-Zeneca and 3-12 weeks for the Pfizer. It also says -
"The JCVI has also amended its previous highly precautionary advice on COVID-19 vaccines and pregnancy or breastfeeding. Vaccination with either vaccine in pregnancy should be considered where the risk of exposure SARS-CoV2 infection is high and cannot be avoided, or where the woman has underlying conditions that place her at very high risk of serious complications of COVID-19, and the risks and benefits of vaccination should be discussed."
PS - Some people can't go to links, or don't want to, so it is useful to add a note of what they say, as well as the URL itself.

Elegran

Genty You are concerned about what would happen if you have symptomless CoVid and get the vaccine less than four weeks after wards. I don't think it would make any difference to the vaccine working - that and the natural reaction to the virus would work together, not against each other. As for side effects, I don't see why the chance of having those would be any greater.

No one knows if it would make a difference, its a brand new lab produced vaccine, likewise no one knows if there will be long term health problems like there has been in the past with other vaccines.

Which other vaccines specifically are you meaning?

So the change then is it’s apparently now been established that there is a degree of protection after the first dose, which is interesting as up to now the advice has been that it’s not effective until after the second dose. Will be interesting to see what the outcome of the dispute with Pfizer is, as the vaccine is over 90% effective at the regime they trialed, changing that regime does seem cavalier.

"Having the vaccine doesn't mean vulnerable pensioners can act with 'wild abandon and go off to the bingo halls' says Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam"

I love JVT !

Sparklefizz

"Having the vaccine doesn't mean vulnerable pensioners can act with 'wild abandon and go off to the bingo halls' says Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam"

I love JVT !

Nice generalisation there.

He got the message across by being funny. I don't see anything wrong in that. JVT is known for his descriptive explanations.