Vaccine side effects

On the news, BBC24 & others, 'question time' you never hear anyone say they are not having the vaccine and why not, nor to the prime Minsters press conferences. 60% of the French population are not in favour of having the vacccine.

QuoteElegran Tue 19-Jan-21 11:05:07 - Ridiculous!

Yogagirl

No one knows for sure about these vaccines, neither short or long term! The side effects of many, many drugs are far worse then the illness. Look at chemo for cancer, it takes a terrible toll on the body.

So with what you are advocating is we should get rid of things like chemo because of the affect it has on the body. It has less of an issue than the disease.

Get a grip of yourself.

"^Drugs far worse than the illness"^ Have you seen the toll that cancer takes on the body?

C'mon, you know what she meant - she said nothing about stopping chemo treatment for cancer!

Yogagirl - people know as much about these vaccines as they do about any other drug which has been licenced.

If a drug did worse things to your body than the illness it was treating, why would it be used? That doesn't make sense.

Nobody on the news says they are not having the vaccine because they have more than two brain cells to rub together.

I've just come off my six monthly check up with the specialist at a hospital in Glasgow who have looked after me since a medical problem nine years ago. Done by telephone now because obviously nobody is travelling unless necessary. Our final discussion was about the vaccine, he said, "You will be taking the vaccine, won't you"? So who do I trust? My own scientific background, the medics and scientists who have developed this wonder, and the medical team who have kept me going for nearly a decade? Or some person off an online forum who thinks Bill Gates wants to know what I had for breakfast?

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Yogagirl

No one knows for sure about these vaccines, neither short or long term! The side effects of many, many drugs are far worse then the illness. Look at chemo for cancer, it takes a terrible toll on the body.

So with what you are advocating is we should get rid of things like chemo because of the affect it has on the body. It has less of an issue than the disease.

Get a grip of yourself.

I said nothing of the sort!

Elegran

"^Drugs far worse than the illness"^ Have you seen the toll that cancer takes on the body?

Yes I have: my sister-in-law, 4 of my good friends. One that was clear for 5yrs and then got it back in her neck, she does wonder if she had Covid Xmas 2019 [as I, my son & daughter wonder if we had it too] causing her body to awaken the cancer again. I watched as their hair fell out, eye lashes, eye brows terrible fatigue. Awful to watch.

My friends husband had it in the mouth! All had chemo & alive today. I would never tell anyone not to chemo, but have always thought that I wouldn't, but easy to say when you haven't got a life threating illness. If I was told 6mnths if you don't have chemo and 18mnths if you do, I'd take the 6mths.

Why do you feel the need to twist my words, it's clear what I meant!

ExD

C'mon, you know what she meant - she said nothing about stopping chemo treatment for cancer!

Thank you ExD

Thought I left the bullying when I left school!

60% of the French population are not in favour of having the vacccine.
The French tend to be a bit rebellious
And before you tell me I'm being racist or other such nonsense, I'm part French (perhaps that's where I get my rebellious streak).
But I will have the vaccine, when or if ever offered.

This is the UK.

*yogagirl, because all we knew was he was overweight and had high blood pressure. The Phase 3 trials he was part of extended testing to those with the most common morbidities: high blood pressure, obesity, Type 2 diabetes. Prior to the tests, for which he volunteered teed, he was examined and the doctors were happy it was safe to give him the vaccine.

The heart attack was over 2 months after the second jab and was very mild. It was a shock to everyone, including the doctors treating him that his arteries were so badly blocked and that he had been living with angina for so long, bt because it was intermittent, we all assumed his weight was the cause of his problems with exercise.

Do not even try to pretend there was any link whatsoever between the vaccine and my DH's heart attack there wasn't.

No-one is bullying you, Yogagirl, just questioning your assertions.

In fact, if we are going to talk about bullying perhaps you might take a look at some of your own posts, particularly those directed at M0nica^ about her husband.
They are extremely unpleasant.

Alegrias1

Yogagirl - people know as much about these vaccines as they do about any other drug which has been licenced.

If a drug did worse things to your body than the illness it was treating, why would it be used? That doesn't make sense.

Nobody on the news says they are not having the vaccine because they have more than two brain cells to rub together.

I've just come off my six monthly check up with the specialist at a hospital in Glasgow who have looked after me since a medical problem nine years ago. Done by telephone now because obviously nobody is travelling unless necessary. Our final discussion was about the vaccine, he said, "You will be taking the vaccine, won't you"? So who do I trust? My own scientific background, the medics and scientists who have developed this wonder, and the medical team who have kept me going for nearly a decade? Or some person off an online forum who thinks Bill Gates wants to know what I had for breakfast?

Thalidomide, yes the doctors did make you swallow it in pill form not vaccine, before I'm jumped on!

The other drugs you speak of have been tested on animals for years, these vaccines haven't. [Poor animals]

My poor mum was given a palm full of drugs in her care home, even though she had a swallow problem, I asked for liquid form but not given. I asked them to put a thicken in her tea & drinks, eventually they did, but carers not shown how! After my mum passed I learnt that some of the drugs she was given, she shouldn't have had!

I've not told anyone not to have the vaccine, including my sister, it's personal chose.

Thalidomide was over 50 years ago. As I have mentioned a numberer of times.

If that is the best you can do, isn't that proof of the huge seachanges in the practice ofmedicine since then?

OK yogagirl, in order:

Thalidomide is a drug still in use for leprosy and the issues it created 60 years gave rise to the strict licencing rules we have now.

The vaccines were tested on animals during Phase 1, that's what Phase 1 is about. Poor animals, yes. I've been vegetarian for 30 years so don't try to shame me on that. The Vegan Society has said that it is acceptable to take the vaccine because of the huge implications for human health around the world, but that everyone should decide for themselves.

I'm sorry to read about your mum. I'm also sorry if this sounds harsh - but we all have our medical mistakes stories, including me. But they are right much more often than they are wrong.

Even if you are not telling people not to have the vaccine, your constant undermining of it and everything that goes with it will make people with vaccine hesitancy even more worried.

My DD1 had Pfizer vaccine before Xmas, DD2 yesterday as both NHS key workers. Tired straight away then hot. Bit of a headache and sore arm. All gone overnight.
All other NHS colleagues reporting similar.
I think your husband's headaches need to be checked out as could be any number of things. Could be as simple as changing his glasses, or reducing anxiety. My DH is having an alcohol free January and has had quite a few headaches. Says gin is the answer.
Not a good example I know, but please speak to your GP.

This is a great talk. Lots and lots of ways to look into trending medical claims. He can be very funny too.

www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_battling_bad_science?language=en

Enjoyed that

Thanks Elegran. That was indeed a great talk!

Interesting Elegran Thanks for sharing.

I agree when he said you cannot make an informed decision unless you have all the information

Finding all the information isn't easy, but it is all there somewhere, mostly online.
We all have access to the same sources of info on the internet, although some things are harder to get at than others. We all also have the same equipment - a screen, a keyboard, and a brain.
To find out what's what about a medical claim that is trending on social media -
1) Read this excellent site datadetoxkit.org/en/misinformation/healthhoax/
2) Search for the earliest mention you can find of the claim. Entries on Facebook, Twitter, and other sites have dates, and some of them refer back to earlier mentions elsewhere.
3) Make a note of who made the earliest entries. Search for those names and what others say about those people.
4) Search a site such as Snopes, or Hoaxbuster, to see what professional fact-finders have to say about the claim.
5) Put medical hoaxes and misinformation into the searchbox to find other sites investigating possibly false claims and medical misunderstandings

Do not be led astray in these talks, a personable speaker and good performance can hide all the things that he isn't saying.

For example; how do you know you have all the information? and how about the manipulation of data within a study.

He also left out one very common misuse of data, very popular with the media. It is making a fuss of very little.

For example, if I was to say that a cup of tea increases your chances of breast cancer by 20%, I think a lot of people would be worried. But if I say that the base probability of getting cancer from a cup of tea is 1%, then a 20% rises takes the probability of this happening from 1% to 1.2%. The figures are actually so small that they can be disregarded.

Never trust personable speakers, even when you agree with them. In fact listen even more carefully, it is easy to be lulled into a sense of false security.

I'm a real tea aholic and many years ago it was all over the news that Tea causes cancer! I thought 'well I'll get cancer then as I'm not stopping drinking my tea'. Years on it was all over the news Tea protects from cancer!

The problem nowadays, where higher education is part of the market economy, universities want the headlines and news that put their establishments name on the media.

Universities now have press offices and press officers and they have to be informed of all publications to consider whether any have results that might interest a wider interest. They are sent abstracts and summaries of the reearch and results.

Very few of the Press Office staff will have a degree in a relevant subject so they fillet the abstracts etc for anything that they think is interesting and send it out. Any if and buts and qualifications the researchers have put round their research are ignored and you get resulkts like those you quote yogagirl

How do I know, DS is an academic, his subject is archaeology, so he is always having his work sensationalised and we often get texts saying. if you see the reports on such and such a site in the papers with a picture of me holding something. ignore them they are grossly overstated.