Vaccine side effects

ExD

C'mon, you know what she meant - she said nothing about stopping chemo treatment for cancer!

Thank you ExD

Thought I left the bullying when I left school!

Elegran

"^Drugs far worse than the illness"^ Have you seen the toll that cancer takes on the body?

Yes I have: my sister-in-law, 4 of my good friends. One that was clear for 5yrs and then got it back in her neck, she does wonder if she had Covid Xmas 2019 [as I, my son & daughter wonder if we had it too] causing her body to awaken the cancer again. I watched as their hair fell out, eye lashes, eye brows terrible fatigue. Awful to watch.

My friends husband had it in the mouth! All had chemo & alive today. I would never tell anyone not to chemo, but have always thought that I wouldn't, but easy to say when you haven't got a life threating illness. If I was told 6mnths if you don't have chemo and 18mnths if you do, I'd take the 6mths.

Why do you feel the need to twist my words, it's clear what I meant!

prestbury

Yogagirl

No one knows for sure about these vaccines, neither short or long term! The side effects of many, many drugs are far worse then the illness. Look at chemo for cancer, it takes a terrible toll on the body.

So with what you are advocating is we should get rid of things like chemo because of the affect it has on the body. It has less of an issue than the disease.

Get a grip of yourself.

I said nothing of the sort!

Yogagirl - people know as much about these vaccines as they do about any other drug which has been licenced.

If a drug did worse things to your body than the illness it was treating, why would it be used? That doesn't make sense.

Nobody on the news says they are not having the vaccine because they have more than two brain cells to rub together.

I've just come off my six monthly check up with the specialist at a hospital in Glasgow who have looked after me since a medical problem nine years ago. Done by telephone now because obviously nobody is travelling unless necessary. Our final discussion was about the vaccine, he said, "You will be taking the vaccine, won't you"? So who do I trust? My own scientific background, the medics and scientists who have developed this wonder, and the medical team who have kept me going for nearly a decade? Or some person off an online forum who thinks Bill Gates wants to know what I had for breakfast?

C'mon, you know what she meant - she said nothing about stopping chemo treatment for cancer!

"^Drugs far worse than the illness"^ Have you seen the toll that cancer takes on the body?

Yogagirl

No one knows for sure about these vaccines, neither short or long term! The side effects of many, many drugs are far worse then the illness. Look at chemo for cancer, it takes a terrible toll on the body.

So with what you are advocating is we should get rid of things like chemo because of the affect it has on the body. It has less of an issue than the disease.

Get a grip of yourself.

QuoteElegran Tue 19-Jan-21 11:05:07 - Ridiculous!

On the news, BBC24 & others, 'question time' you never hear anyone say they are not having the vaccine and why not, nor to the prime Minsters press conferences. 60% of the French population are not in favour of having the vacccine.

No one knows for sure about these vaccines, neither short or long term! The side effects of many, many drugs are far worse then the illness. Look at chemo for cancer, it takes a terrible toll on the body.

QuoteM0nica Tue 19-Jan-21 10:54:57

Why on earth was your DH put on a trial with all his severe health problems? I wish him better.

Yogagirl The account by Monica of her husband's medical condition should remove ONE person from your mental database of People Who Have Been Harmed By The Vaccine. Without getting every last detail about each person who had a "reported side effect" can you now look at the statistics and see that behind each one is a real person with some kind of history. You don't need to be told of each story "on the news" for the statistics to be made up of a lot of individuals (and Monica should not have had to go into all that detail). The totals are shorthand so that we can see the trends.

How long do newsreaders have to give us all the news? Could they addan account of each person who had a side effect and whether it was considered to be related, on top of all the disaster and politics they have to spout about ?

I can just imagine it
"Mrs Smith's husband Jim had a headache the day after his vaccination and threw up his sausages and mash that night. Experts say this is a common reaction, isn't serious, and lasts for a very short time."
"John Jones of Cardiff had a heart attack six days after his vaccination. He was 76 and had a history of chest pains, which he had blamed on indigestion. This is not thought to be connected to the vaccine."

All the facts and figures are available if you look for them, collected together in statistics so that you don't have to add up all the individual events and try to see them in perspective.

We know very well why DH had his heart attack and he has been working on it for decades.

He was (he has lost a lot of weight) grossly obese and would brook no advice. He got that way over decades of hard work at it. He also has sleep apnea (which can cause heart attacks).

DD and I had been telling him for 10 years he had it but he ignored it until he had a micro sleep on the motorway, then, to be fair, he went straight to the doctor and got help. He is not alcohol dependent, and did sometimes not drink for months, but usually drank more than the recommended weekly amount.

In recent years he has taken very little exercise, mainly, because, as we know now, he had unstable angina, which meant that on some days walking to the end of the garden and back was more than he could manage, although he did manage to do an awful lot of DIY including major projects, which took much longer than planned because of the times he couldn't work because he was so breathless.

He has been a walking heart attack time bomb for years. I knew it, so did both AC, but there was nothing we could do. He is a lovely kind loving man, but he hates facing up to bad news.

If his heart attack was COVID related, he must have foreseen the pandemic back in the 1980/90s and that he would take part in a drug trial and I think thaat even you Yogagirl will find that a bit far fetched.

I am sorry but you know as little of the aeitiology of heart disease as you do of vaccines.

We only discovered yesterday that DH did get the COVID vaccine in the trial and not the alternative and very pleased we are too.

Yogagirl

So everything you're told you believe without question growstuff? I'll bet the multitude of scammers about at the moment, are beating a path to your door!

Strangely enough, they aren't. Maybe it has something to do with not falling for the latest conspiracy theory.

Yogagirl

So why do we not get all the facts on the TV News stations growstuff?? That's what worries me the most.

I really don't have a clue. I haven't watched TV news programmes for years.

Yoga girl has some more far fetched theories on the Norway thread. Fortunately it seems we all recognise these for what they are,

So everything you're told you believe without question growstuff? I'll bet the multitude of scammers about at the moment, are beating a path to your door!

So why do we not get all the facts on the TV News stations growstuff?? That's what worries me the most.

Drawing a straight line between two events does not prove causation, ask any scientist.

Yogagirl

lemsip

yogagirl, as you now know, you cannot print or give a link to something that contains misinformation!

Who says it's misinformation? On what authority do you speak?

It's healthy to analyse what's going on, to be sceptical shows intelligence.

No, sometimes it shows that people lack the intelligence to understand facts or to understand the bigger picture. Some people are sceptics because they can't accept that they're not different and think they know best.

I had a heart attack three years ago too and I hadn't been on any clinical trial. I'm not overweight, don't drink alcohol, don't smoke and am careful with my diet. It's just one of those things.

When I was in hospital, there was a lady opposite me, who had had a quadruple bypass. She was slim and a professional yoga teacher.

I have no idea why MOnica's husband had a heart attack - I doubt if he or medics treating him know either. However, there is absolutely no reason to think it was connected to his participation in vaccine trials.

Yes Monica and your DH had a heart attack!!

The regulatory body has also waved any legal action to be taken against the manufacturers of the vaccine in cases of death and adverse health reactions!!

Of course we all know great leaps have been made in medical science. You very condescendingly said in one of your post about we think things are the same as 200yrs ago [not those exact words].

jeanrobinson Without a large, randomised clinical trial, with half the participants unknowingly having a placebo, we are never going to know.

Except that we do know because these trials were carried out. and my DH was one of the trial participants. 25,000 in his trial including over 70s with pre-existing conditions.

How long ago did the pill come in? I started taking it in 1967 and it had been around for sometime then. Innother words you are talking about events, nigh on 60 years ago.

There do seem to be an awful lot of people around who are completely unaware that there have been any changes in medical practice, methods, technology and knowledge over the last 60 years.

The regulatory body would not have given these products a license to go into general use unless this had happened.

DH 82, had his last week, (Pfizer) and has had no side effects, I'm getting mine on Wednesday, really pleased.