Vaccine side effects

Elegran, exactly and the batch involved was late cleared and used in the vaccination roll-out.
www.healthline.com/health-news/why-california-put-a-pause-on-a-single-lot-of-the-moderna-covid-19-vaccine

That won't reassure those who are uncertain about the vaccine to start with. Nothing would.

Elegran

That won't reassure those who are uncertain about the vaccine to start with. Nothing would.

It said in that report that: Severe allergic reactions to vaccines are rare, with vaccine related anaphylaxis occurring in 1, in 100,000. Yet 8 people at the same vaccine centre were hospitalised plus one other in Colorado.

BlueSky

Just like any new medication we take any unusual symptoms, headache, stomach ache, dizziness etc, will be blamed on it, even if it’s purely coincidental.

Bluesky - so true your comment.

The evening of the day I had my first dose of vaccine, I developed really bad stomach ache. For about an hour I wondered if there had been any other reports of this sort of adverse reaction.

As it got worse, I did realise that I was just experiencing the start of a block in my ostomy - something that happens every so often. So, I treated this exactly as I always do - Hot bath, hot water bottle and mug of boiling water, sipped as hot as possible. Within a couple of hours it had passed - as usual.

I am not hypochondriac in any form, but was falling into the trap of putting down a normal problem I get to a vaccine-reaction.

In fact, I got no reaction whatsoever, not even a sore arm.

One of my daughters says that, although she has no proper research, but she know of very many people who have had this vaccine as she is a front line NHS worker - she feels that older people seem less likely to have any reaction, and younger ones more so. It could be that with younger people, their own antibodies are fighting against this introduction -where as with older people we have far less natural t-cells etc. left in our system.

Yogagirl, you are flogging a dead horse. It is known that this vaccine has some side effects and that severe allergies and carrying an epipen is a contra indicator for receiving it. Can you name me a single vaccine, or even medecine that has no side effects? You mention 9 occurences of anaphylactic shock following receiving the vaccine. If you knew anything about statistics, and you clearly do not, while a cluster of 8 should be investigated, it could happen by chance. if you add the three in the UK you have 12 cases - how many million people have received these vaccines without incident.

I will set out a problem and I would be interested to here your opinion, avoiding the issue, does not count.

I am allergic to penicillin. One dose, could, theoretically, kill me. There are millions of people all round the world who are allergic to penicillin and in the same position as me. Yet pennicillin is, probably, the most widely prescribed antibiotic ever. It is every doctors first thought when faced with an infection. Would you ban penicillin because of the wide spread danger it poses to so many people, or keep it because of its beneficial effect and life saving value to so many more?

Yogagirl The fact that it was 8 from the same centre, and none reported from any others does point to it possibly being something about that centre - the storage, handling, administration or hygeine of the vaccine.

Vials from the same large batch of vaccine have not been reported to have had the effect in any of the other centres they were sent to. I would put it at more than possible, more like probable.

The same ingredients are in each vial of each batch, and production hygeine and security where they are made are doubtless strictly maintained and inspected. Pfizer have been criticised before, so they will be being extra careful, for the sake of their reputation.

I assume the centre and their records are undergoing close inspection. My money is on some breach of storage conditions or time limits. Those have been well publicised, so there is no excuse.

what a stupid comment this is

(interesting news from california today) yogagirl eagerly waiting responses!

there was interesting news from the back of beyond today also! If you can't get to the point in question forget it

What news is that, lemsip ? The only new statement I have seen today is this from www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/coronavirus/2021/01/23/cdc-data-suggests-severe-allergic-reactions-to-moderna-vaccine-are-rare
"Out of more than 4 million shots given, there were 10 instances of a severe allergic reaction, or anaphylaxis, reported."

Of this it seems that 8 were at one centre. That is probably very significant.

Had mine Wednesday, slightly tender arm for one day, otherwise no side effects. Given the numbers who have have had the vaccine it's a very successful roll out.

QuoteM0nica Sun 24-Jan-21 10:15:03
Yogagirl, you are flogging a dead horse.
Poor horse Monica, I would never do that to a horse!

Monica cluster of 8 should be investigated, it could happen by chance. if you add the three in the UK you have 12 cases

I can assure you Monica there is not just 12cases! GNHQ has put a gaging order on me, I therefore cannot join in this discussion & say what I know because GNHQ have told me I will have my membership cancelled. I've been on GN for more than 8yrs, but normally stick to one subject, that of loosing my D&GC.

MOnica
I am of the belief that when informed ' may experience etc etc etc ' we will.{grin},

Vaccine day plus 5 now. Slight headache and sniffly-ness all gone and I feel fine. Many of my friends and neighbours around here have now had the vaccine and, from what I have heard, all are doing ok.
Life is full of risks. We have to use our judgement and balance those risks against the risk of NOT having vaccinations etc.

Yogagirl, I would be interested to hear your answer to the penicillin conundrum. I am sure that is not covered by any gagging order.

GNHQ has put a gagging order on me, I therefore cannot join in this discussion & say what I know because GNHQ have told me I will have my membership cancelled

Is this right?

Yet another stupid questions Monica!

To answer I am allergic to Morphine, along with Penicillin of course I would not ban it. It pains me to be forced to answer such a pathetic moronic question from you again!

No doubt GNHQ will delete this, yet when I'm told I don't have 2 brain cells to rub together & other such insults, that's just fine post!

MawBe

^GNHQ has put a gagging order on me, I therefore cannot join in this discussion & say what I know because GNHQ have told me I will have my membership cancelled^

Is this right?

Yes Mawbe have the email still.

Yogagirl penicillin is far more dangerous than the vaccine. That is why my question was not a stupid question.

We now now know you would not ban penicillin even though it is dangerous to far more people than the vaccine, but are worried about the vaccine. The next question is why do you consider the vaccine more dangerous than penicillin?

Bravo GNHQ

M0nica

Yogagirl penicillin is far more dangerous than the vaccine. That is why my question was not a stupid question.

We now now know you would not ban penicillin even though it is dangerous to far more people than the vaccine, but are worried about the vaccine. The next question is why do you consider the vaccine more dangerous than penicillin?

The vaccine hasn't had the normal years of testing. No one in this world knows if penicillin is more dangerous than this new vaccine. You don't know & nor do I.

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Dear oh dear,
Yes I reported your false information posts. It is dangerous to spread false information about the pandemic. However I doubt I was alone and I certainly do not have enough influence on GNHQ to sway them had they not agreed with me.
So sorry it’s not a case of agreeing or disagreeing with my posts.

So just make sure when posting that Lucca would agree with your post, otherwise she'll be running to GNHQ saying Miss, miss, yogagirl said this, yogagirl said that, miss, miss

yogagirl there is a responsibility for social media platforms not to publish fake news, to quote anti-vaxx propaganda or other non-facts which, if followed are deemed dangerous.
I cannot think for one minute that GNHQ will only listen to “the gospel according to Lucca” but have adjudged your posts to breach the “false information” guidelines.
No one member has that sort of influence.

Yoga girl. You say that you and all your friends and family will not be having the vaccine. You have researched it and seem quite sure of your decision. Based on that, do you think that everyone else should also agree with you and follow your example. And if not, why not. And if you do, what do you suggest the world does to stop this disease killing millions of people instead, shall we all stay in lockdown forever?

Yoga girl, if not, then are you not just relying on everyone else having the vaccine so that you can feel safe. Are you thinking as an individual or are you thinking for the benefit of society, ie the world. Show me your argument please, if you don't think it safe and won't be having it, surely the same applies to everyone, in which case, how are you going to stop people dying in their millions a very horrible and tragic death.