Vaccine side effects

mistymitts

Yoga girl. You say that you and all your friends and family will not be having the vaccine. You have researched it and seem quite sure of your decision. Based on that, do you think that everyone else should also agree with you and follow your example. And if not, why not. And if you do, what do you suggest the world does to stop this disease killing millions of people instead, shall we all stay in lockdown forever?

Another stupid question.
Certainly not, individual choice. Same as with yearly flu, that sadly kills many, herd immunity.

Santana....thank you for your post. Now I think I know why I have been having headaches. I also am having an alcohol free January, that is probably the reason. I had thought it was anxiety but I am always anxious, nothing new there. Must be lack of alcohol. Going to carry it through in February as drinking can affect your TCells and so really undermine your immune system. The truth about your immune system, BBC . Interesting programme. Also, gut health, very important for healthy immune system.
When offered, will also take up the vaccine. I have asthma, also mysteriously caught Nora virus a few years back and thought I was going to die. Do idea how I caught it, and the same could happen with Corona Virus. I have had every vaccine under the sun fro Travel purposes to South America, India etc. I would rather have the vaccine than get seriously ill, wouldn't anyone?

What do you understand about population (aka herd) immunity Yogagirl?

Yoga girl, as I thought, thinking of yourself and not the wider community's

Why does the vaccine require years of testing? Medications, including vaccinations have never required that in the past and do not require it now.

The COVID vaccination has plumbed into a well of medical nostalgia. We haven't yet had yearnings for the old days when country doctors were frequently irascible and ingnorant, who felt 'women's problems' were for enduring not treating, but I can see it coming, Dr Finlay here we come.

Since the 1940s there have been enormous leaps forward in treatments, technology, knowledge and science. These changes mean that vaccines and other medications can be developed manufactured and tested in a fraction oif the time it used to take. These vaccines are safer than many of those that went before.

The Ebola vaccination was developed with similar speed, that was nearly 10 years ago. I have yetto hear of any long term side effects.

There is a lot ofconfusion about herd immunity. The term is used like a magic incantation, as though all we need is to mutter "herd immunity" to invoke it and we all will be well. BUT you can't just do nothing and wait for the years it would take for herd immunity to happen naturally (if ever).

Each member of the herd only has immunity if they have caught the disease, survived it and developed antibodies to it which will go into action the next time they meet it so that they are able to resist it or fight it off without being too ill The ones who didn't catch it the first time round still have no immunity so if they come into contact with it they will still catch it, and it will be as virulent as it was when others caught it for the first time.

The "herd immunity" is only helpful when enough of the individuals in the herd are immune, so that it becomes unlikely that those without immunity will come into contact with it. The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. For CoVid19, the percentage needed is unknown.

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death.

There is a very good World Health article on herd immunity at www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19 I would recommend that anyone who thinks that "herd immunity" can be achieved without either vaccination or a LOT of acute illness, longterm medical complications, disfunctioning economies and administrations and deaths should read it.

mistymitts

Yoga girl, as I thought, thinking of yourself and not the wider community's

Quite the contrary, I'm allowing those who want the vaccine to have my shot, and my second shot. They will also get all my families, my friends & neighbours, colleges & students. So not selfish at all, very giving!

Yes, but you, your family friends and neighbours, colleges and students may well be the ones who give my family friends and neighbours etc etc the COVID that could make them very ill, even kill them.

It is not a fair swap.

I am interested in hearing all points of view. Watching all the news from all sides and learning as much as I can from everyone, be that Doctors, nurses, professors, scientist or just your average 'Joe blogs' and the GNetters on here, it's all of interest to me.

I would never dream of telling or encouraging anyone not to get the vaccine, if that's what they've decided to do. But seems if someone has the guts to say they will not, all hell brakes loose. If someone has another point of view 'woe-be-tide' I would truly love to see the other point of view on the main stream news channels & radio stations, cos you don't, just one tunnel view which is not the view of the whole of society.

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Quite the contrary, I'm allowing those who want the vaccine to have my shot, and my second shot. They will also get all my families, my friends & neighbours, colleges & students.

So you, your whole family, all your friends, a college where you work (?), other colleges and all the students there all believe these unsubstantiated ideas?

Where do you live?

And your neighbours?
And Uncle Tom Cobley?

Why should I be made to feel guilty because of my decision not to have the vaccine, more vaccine for those who do. Is the UK a dictatorship now then? No freedom of thought?

Callistemon

And your neighbours?
And Uncle Tom Cobley?

All the people in my life I know for sure will not have the vaccine. Uncle Tom Cobley - no idea! Another stupidity.

Of course not but I you are in a minority but tell us everyone you know is an anti-Vaxxer.

I do find that hard to believe, that's why I wondered where you live. You don't have to answer, of course.

It would be really nice to have an intelligent conversation on here, instead of this childish nonsense.

Quite

Well I did actually post before this that; the only people I know who are having the vaccine is my 90yr prev. f.i.l and my sister, and that's it. When I told my sister, she called me a few choice names and deleted me on 'Whatsapp'.

I live by the sea, very healthy bunch down here

Yogagirl

It would be really nice to have an intelligent conversation on here, instead of this childish nonsense.

Have a nice day then!

So can you estimate how many people that is? How many in your street, for example, are going to take the vaccine, and how many are not?

Elegran

So can you estimate how many people that is? How many in your street, for example, are going to take the vaccine, and how many are not?

None, zero

I hope you haven't been going door to door, polling them.
How many houses?

Yes I was surprised too, but those are the facts.

Yogagirl

Well I did actually post before this that; the only people I know who are having the vaccine is my 90yr prev. f.i.l and my sister, and that's it. When I told my sister, she called me a few choice names and deleted me on 'Whatsapp'.

I live by the sea, very healthy bunch down here

It's good to hear there's somebody in your family with some sense.

17 houses. We had a social distance Xmas eve mince pie & mulled wine 'gathering' and Xmas Carols, standing on our own driveways, so don't call the police on me. We also have our own 'whatsapp' group.