Summer holidays abroad ‘extremely unlikely’ as third wave hits Europe

Jane Judge you are correct, there are plenty of people still in work who are in their sixties. That doesn’t change the fact that;

mortility rates rise sharply with age

In other words, the older you are, the more likely you are to die if you get Covid.

JaneJudge

There are a lot of people over 60 in full time employment (or even part time) in high risk environments. You only have to go to a supermarket or a hospital to see this, it isn't just young people going out to work.

The retirement age is 66, so of course there are plenty of "elderly" people in work. Are they all selfish too?

What are you implying maddyone? That their lives don't matter?

maddyone

We should all be aware of the Covid deaths facts in the UK.

1) Mortality rates rise sharply with age
2) Mortality rates are higher among men than women
3) Mortality rates are significantly higher in people with pre existing conditions (as people age they become more likely to have pre existing conditions)
4) Mortality rates are 120% higher in the most deprived compared with the least deprived decile of areas
5) Mortality in the black group is almost twice that of the white group
6) Mortality rates are higher among some people working in public facing occupations
7) Excess weight is associated with an increased risk of.........hospitalisation, severe disease, and death

Source: The Kings Fund, Deaths From Covid19, how are they counted and what do they show.

A few facts for those who are interested. Note: the the first fact, mortality rises with age, which the statistics prove unequivocally.

But death isn't the only consequence of covid infection, is it?

So you're perfectly happy for people to suffer long term debilitating, life changing, consequences of covid? That's just a bit of tough luck for them, isn't it.

Sounds just like the Leave voters who shrug off any bad effect their vote had on other people's lives.

And we're 'entitled'?

growstuff

JaneJudge

There are a lot of people over 60 in full time employment (or even part time) in high risk environments. You only have to go to a supermarket or a hospital to see this, it isn't just young people going out to work.

The retirement age is 66, so of course there are plenty of "elderly" people in work. Are they all selfish too?

I don't know growstuff, I'll ask my Mum but if you call her elderly again she wont be very happy

What about long COVID though maddyone? It affects 10% of under 50s who get COVID, and if there’s a big spike in infections again that will be a big issue economically and for the NHS as well as for families.

JaneJudge

growstuff

JaneJudge

There are a lot of people over 60 in full time employment (or even part time) in high risk environments. You only have to go to a supermarket or a hospital to see this, it isn't just young people going out to work.

The retirement age is 66, so of course there are plenty of "elderly" people in work. Are they all selfish too?

I don't know growstuff, I'll ask my Mum but if you call her elderly again she wont be very happy

I put "elderly" in inverted commas for a reason. Your Mum sounds fearsome, so I promise not to mention it again.

I am no rule breaker so much as it saddens me, I do realise that international travel won’t be on the cards any time soon. When our government decree it is safe to do so, I’m off but not until then. I’m not pretending we rent our apartment in Malaga. We shall wait patiently until we are allowed to travel. It’s a disappointment shelling out for community fees on a property not being used but it is what it is.

maddyone, your own list of facts displays how wrong your belief that younger people were locked down to protect the old is.

But I will concentrate on one; Mortality rates are higher among some people working in public facing occupations although I would replace 'some' people with 'all' people. While there are older workers in the group continuing to have face to face contact with other people. By far the majority range from 16 to retirement age.

The reason that COVID rates are so high among them is because they are constantly in contact with other people - and they will almost all be using PPC. Just think if the whole of that age range were free to wander and mix freely, when the vast majority would not be wearing PPC. The virus would run free. Hospitals would be overwhelmed.

As Casdon has said You have also completely avoided the issue of long covid, something mainly younger victims suffer from and the concerns among doctors that even among those with seemingly simple COVID attacks with no visible problems, many may well develop further problems later on.

The lockdowns we have had and continue to have are there to protect all of us, it is sheer vanity to think everyone was locked down to protect the old.

I’m sorry my opinion bothers you Monica. I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to differ.

It breaks my heart to feel that I won’t be able to visit my son and grandson in France again. I saw him just after he was born,and he is now walking and talking.
Thank goodness for FaceTime..but I do so want to cuddle them,feel them and smell them.

Just a little something for those who are totally ok with holidays in the UK....
I read in the Times to day
“A week at Butlins in Minehead, Somerset for a family of four in mid August will cost £3,433. A two bedroomed cottage in Cornwall is £2,765 for the same week. “

I think caravan holidays have always been quite expensive in high season. We pay just under 2k for the week in the house we stay in every year (it is a holiday for my eldest daughter who has a severe learning disability amongst other things and it just works) but I know I've looked at caravans for the same week and they are always more expensive and although she would love the entertainment, I just don't see why myself. I would rather have a bit more comfort and not be able to heard other people's holiday arguments.

hear not heard. The amount of noise people create outside of caravans is unreal really, that's why we only ever book them out of season or for the weekend.

Lucca £1,229 for a family of 4 Butlins Bognor, probably normal, that’s with no food court, circus tickets etc. Second week in August. Maybe The Times added in all optional extras?
It’s generally expensive in school holidays, another thread maybe.

I only know what I I read! But my reaction is no thanks I’ll wait !

Fortunately I haven’t had to go on holiday out of term-time since I retired. We’ve just booked a four night break at the coast in mid-July for £320, including breakfast. It would have been only £240 in late May, considerably dearer once the schools broke up.

Urmstongran I agree, we want so much to go back to our house in France, it is only just across the Channel.

COVID is indiscriminate, it does not discriminate between those visiting a foreign country to sell or let properties and those just wanting to visit to stay in their own home, rent a property or stay in a hotel.