Reluctance of the young to be vaccinated?

NoVaccinePassportsAnywhere
Isn't animal testing compulsory on all medications?

I'm happy to be wrong but truly believe it's part of being passed for human use in almost every country.

I'm not sure if all over-the counter medications have the same requirements but think anything that can be prescribed is the key.

Very clever

It was this chart from the BBC article I posted NotSpaghetti.
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6CE6/production/_117887872_vaccine_death_comparison_640-nc.png
There is lots of information on line about the risks if you want to check it out for yourself - as I said we can only make assumptions based on what’s published, and extracting by a specific age is a challenge.

Pleased to see there are hardly any idiots on here spouting nonsense about vaccines - although I did note one person going on about "gene therapy" facepalm. People confuse mRNA with DNA - the vaccines such as Pfizer and Moderna that use this system do NOT change your DNA! There is also zero evidence to prove that any of these vaccines causes infertility. It makes me really angry when people spout fake news about the vaccines - we need as many people as possible to have the vaccine if we are ever to get on top of covid in the UK. ALL vaccines are fully tested - there was already a fair amount of work done on a vaccine before covid appeared, following SARS and MERS which are also coronaviruses. The reason it could be speeded up is because governments threw hundreds of millions of pounds at these research companies so they could concentrate on a covid vaccine to the exclusion of everything else. The vaccines have all been through the trials that would normally happen before licensing - they are NOT experimental or untested! If you are not prepared to provide scientific backup for your lies then please STFU - we and the world are not out of the woods yet with covid!

I'm sorry Casdon it actually doesn't say that.

Your source says 1 in 250,000 of over 55 year olds are at risk of serious harm as a result of vaccine side effects.

I don't want to find out more to be honest - and if I did I'd go directly to the research papers.
Just a bit fed up today with mis-quoted sources all over Gransnet and elsewhere and I'm afraid you just were the last straw!
Apologies Casdon!

My children are 17 and they, and their friends, cannot wait to get their jabs. They are quite envious of the sense of freedom they are hearing from their parents and grandparents. Knowing they are safe, and can keep others safe, seems their primary concern.

There is actually a person-specific risk tool somewhere that's interesting. It looks at underlying health conditions, weight, sex, etc and comes up with "personalised" info.

I haven't looked at it recently but can't be too hard to find if anyone's interested.

Thank you for posting that Saetana

A 40 year old relative of mine is going in hospital for an operation but refuses vaccination.

NotSpaghetti

There is actually a person-specific risk tool somewhere that's interesting. It looks at underlying health conditions, weight, sex, etc and comes up with "personalised" info.

I haven't looked at it recently but can't be too hard to find if anyone's interested.

Found it. 0.0021% risk, or something like that.

CafeAuLait

NotSpaghetti

There is actually a person-specific risk tool somewhere that's interesting. It looks at underlying health conditions, weight, sex, etc and comes up with "personalised" info.

I haven't looked at it recently but can't be too hard to find if anyone's interested.

Found it. 0.0021% risk, or something like that.

There's a few tools out there. Another one says 0.15% chance of death from Covid for me. Close to or lower than average.

earnshaw

why is it difficult for the young to decide what to do , no brainer to me , i did not think twice about having mine, i bet some put a lot worse than that in their bodies

I’m not sure it is “difficult”, or even just the young not being vaccinated.

They just aren’t doing what you (general) want them to do

I am desperately trying to get my DD to book her vaccination. She firmly believes now I've had mine it won't matter if she doesn't ?.
Unfortunately she has been listening to nonsense on social media and friends who have been scaremongering ?.....

Still believe the Covid vaccine should be compulsory for all over 16 year olds. Like many hear are fed up with the the anti vaccine idiots.

Wonder how many of the anti vaccine group have had Covid or had close relatives or friends who have. Bet it's none.

My daughter,son in law and 2 grandson's had it took them 2 weeks to feel better and they are in their late 30's My brother and sister in law with them it was a close call but managed to stay at home took them 6 weeks to recover late 50's and early 60's My cousin early 50's ,daughter early 30's and grandson all had it. All the adults have been vaccinated and glad to . As they don't want to go through the hell of having Covid again. The children are all to young.

Anti vaccine lot think they are so superior and that they are free thinkers. They aren't they just believe any old rubbish written about the vaccine. Think they will soon change their minds if they caught Covid.

We are lucky in this country to be able to get the vaccine. People in countries that are finding it hard to get must think the anti vaccine lot are mad.

But there is no changing people's views until they get it or someone they love gets seriously ill with it. Then they will be glad to have the vaccine .

My DD who is in her 20s desperately wants the vaccine as she works with children.
I had both mine, they both made me ill so I won't be getting any booster.

Yesterday my son who is 32 went for his vaccination. He had been invited to do so and subsequently booked his appointment online. He was unable to book a second appointment as the website would not allow him to do so. He went to the vaccination centre but was refused a vaccination because he hadn’t got a second appointment booked. He has now booked another appointment on Wednesday at a different centre but again has been unable to book a second appointment. He rang 119 to explain what is happening but they just referred him to the website. So how can he get vaccinated, in the event he will be refused a vaccination on Wednesday, if he is unable to book second appointment? Are other younger people wanting a vaccination experiencing this problem?

Oopsadaisy1

It’s difficult, if it does in fact cause infertility as some have suggested we won’t know for sure for a long time, so there is no way to persuade the young people that it will all be ok.
I’m not sure what my GD will do when she is offered it, she has a heart problem, so if she catches Covid she could be very badly affected, or not, who knows ?

It is a shame that people don’t just Google this, instead of relying on unproven facts from friends or social media. It is easily found,
www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n509

I think the title is wrong I don’t think the young in general are reluctant well not in my circles anyway They are now being called up when they get extra supplies and all the ones in my grandkids circle are happily going with it

I bet she was SuRu!
I should imagine she was very concerned. Pregnancy is a worrying time without thinking about how a vaccination may affect her and the baby.
Congratulations by the way!

My 18 year old GD has been contacted by her doctor and she’s getting hers next week. She’s got no underlying health problems either.

I know a lot of the older generation who have refused the vaccine so it is not just a younger generation thing, all age groups have those who just don't bother or have reasons varying from cultural, religious or science (i.e. not sure of the contents of the vaccine, therefore don't want to have it ingested into their system via a needle). All this could be considered self-interest that they would rather not and live in the knowledge that enough other people will be vaccinated in the country to protect them. Given the variants of the virus it is a bit of a Russian roulette attitude.

cupcake1

My 18 year old GD has been contacted by her doctor and she’s getting hers next week. She’s got no underlying health problems either.

that's very impressive!

choughdancer

Thought I would just confirm that being vegan is not a reason for not taking the vaccine. The Vegan Society is quite clear on this, as with other medications; I am still vegan even though I inject insulin daily!

www.vegansociety.com/news/news/vegan-society-response-covid-19-vaccine

We discussed this upthread. The point is that the Vegan Society is just an information source for vegans. It is not the head of a church, or otherwise in any position to grant dispensations to vegans.

I was the one to mention a vegan refusnik. He is vegan for his own reasons, and believes them with or without the existence of the Vegan Society.

I'm trying to think of a parallel situation, but struggling to come up with one. Maybe it's like if the Kennel Club said it's ok to vaccinate dogs? You can still be a dog lover/owner whether or not you take their advice, and would make up your own mind based on factors other than their permission.

As I said, I'm not supporting his position, but I do think that he has the right to hold it, regardless of a statement from the VS.

Oh, and he's nearly 40 - I'm not sure that he counts as one of 'the young', although it seems it to me?