Dominic Cummings

Wen I was younger my OH used to say that I should be a Tory politician because I always had an answer to everything, very quickly. My brain doesn't work that fast now.

Watching Hancock today I noticed that when questioned about the release of elderly patients into the care system, he didn't answer that question directly but said he was committed to getting testing done. This Tory govt is constantly telling us that they are committed to doing something or other but they never tell us when it's going to actually happen.

Seven years ago I bought some fabric to make a curtain. Every so often my OH asked when I was going to make it. My answer would be - I'm going to do it. I intend to do it. Si years later a friend made it for me.

The above is an example of how I feel about the Tories. They are committed to doing, or intending to do some project or other and then it's forgotten about. That is what Hancock does.

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^What worries me is that the next pandemic-producing bug may not have the decency to wait for an enquiry starting next year to produce a report and the government to take action on it's recommendations.^(Thu 27-May-21 21:11:55)

Exactly.

Lemongrove “ Because he’s a strange one it’s hard to know what is truth and what is attempted revenge.”

Both quite possibly.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

I am perfectly aware that a public enquiry is not a Court of Law

I have attended four Public Inquiries in the last 20 years. I can assure you, GG13, that they are only one step down from being a Court of Law. They are presided over by a judge, witnesses can employ a barrister to present their evidence and they can be cross examined on it. Barristers can also present legal arguments to the judge if appropriate.

My answer was to PippaZ , I am aware that legal advice is available.

I just find the whole debacle a very sad stain on politics in the U.K.

It is indeed, but would you rather it were kept hidden ?

With regard to Matt Hancock and his rather tenuous relationship with the 'truth' He stated that 'tens of thousands' of people in Bolton we're being injected every day. In actual fact, the highest figure is approximately five thousand on one day, recently the average is closer to two thousand per day
Whilst I applaud the NHS vaccine rollout, it really is exemplary, my question is, why lie about the figures? Why lie about the disgraceful failure of placing patients leaving hospital into care homes, without a test?
Even if I supported this government, which I clearly don't, I would be questioning why I had voted for people who are strangers to the truth
There needs to be an urgent enquiry, the bereaved deserve no less

If they weren't supposed to discharged people to homes without tests and they didn't have enough tests they shouldn't have discharged them to homes. There were hotels lying empty all over the country, quarantine should have been set up before people went back to homes.

Not hindsight I said it at the time.

Or, at the very least, care homes should have been warned of the danger from infection.

Well said Smileless2012 my thoughts exactly.

Actually I was a bit after the fair. Apparently The National Audit Office has produced a report into our preparedness for a pandemic as it stood at the beginning of the outbreak.

I had a look but it's late and I can't make head nor tail of their site.

Grant Shapps attempts at excusing the ineixcusable on Question Time last night was cringe worthy. Again and again, he was asked if the head of Social Care was right in her assessment, or not- and his answer was, several times in a row 'oh it's not as simple as that'. Squirming.

The evidence is beginning to build up regarding the lies being told.

The government apparently is beginning to refuse to answer questions from “unfriendly” reporters.

theworriedwell

If they weren't supposed to discharged people to homes without tests and they didn't have enough tests they shouldn't have discharged them to homes. There were hotels lying empty all over the country, quarantine should have been set up before people went back to homes.

Not hindsight I said it at the time.

It sounds like a good idea. There would indeed have been sufficient empty hotels to accommodate them, rather than send them to care homes. Who would have cared for them, especially if they became ill?

These weren’t patients who could be discharged to hotels, they were in need of full nursing care, which is why the majority were care home patients before admission to hospital. The only way hotels could have worked is if they were staffed to the level of a nursing home, and run as such. That would have been very difficult to achieve with so many staff also off sick with COVID themselves.

Patients being discharged from hospitals to care homes would most likely already be ill, many of them very ill and in need of 24hr nursing care. It wouldn’t be feasible for them to be quarantined in a hotel. There wouldn’t be sufficient care staff to safely look after them. Hospitality staff are unable to care for sick elderly patients. Many of whom could be in a confused state due to dementia, distressed due to unfamiliar surroundings, continence problems etc

I don't like or trust Dominic Cummings. Someone who drives a car to test their eyesight is an imbecile.
He's a first class liar and has said all this because Boris got rid of him.

Crossed posts Casdon!

No smoke without fire. We all know Johns9n is a lia4 and chea5 so noth8ng new there but the rest of his tea: follow suit.
The tot in the fish starts a5 it’s head..........?shows

I agree! I don’t love him either, we knew all this, just interesting to hear it in such a blunt way - I would love to hear DC interviewed by a select committee about the Brexit lies too, many of which he was the instigator

…and you could say the same of the right about loving him before and hating him now! Even to the extent that one Tory MP was taking the p** out of the Barnards Castle eyesight trip, at the time they were queuing up to support him, it wasn’t funny then and it’s not now. All those bereaved families who have had to listen to this!

sazz1

I don't like or trust Dominic Cummings. Someone who drives a car to test their eyesight is an imbecile.
He's a first class liar and has said all this because Boris got rid of him.

Indeed but Boris is economical with the truth if not with his e decor.

If DC has proof, what then ?

Why is this committee giving him 7 hours to talk? He was not elected by anyone - did not get voted into the position he had and is just a nasty bitter man. Hindsight is always a good thing but surely now is not the time for a witch hunt ? - next year when this is hopefully over is the time for all this - - AND
he also lied on camera in the rose garden interview saying he left London because of childcare issues - then said it was because his family were being threatened. Why give this man oxygen to be vitriolic and revengeful.?

I wouldn't trust Cummings or Johnson further i could throw them (no distance at all!). We all know Johnson lies all over the place, that seems to be undisputed, and Cummings was never going to go quietly. Let's not forget that he obviously considered himself above the law and broke the Covid rules then offered a very poor excuse. Yes, in this instance I think a lot of what he said was the truth but we'd pretty much worked most of it out for ourselves; he's just trying to get his own back now.

Oops. I really should preview messages before posting!

I lost my father to Covid while in a care home for respite. I was contacted one week beforehand to ask if I would sign a DNR I didn’t but asked why this had suddenly come up. I was told normal procedure. I found out after my father died from a Carer the virus was in the home weeks beforehand n was covered up! She said they hadn’t been provided with masks etc. I offered to let her have some of mine. It’s a national disgrace n the residents were like lambs to the slaughter absolutely shocking. I said goodbye to my father on a lap top Easter Sunday.

I wouldn't believe everything Dominic Cummings said, nor what any Government said. There was a lack of "evidence", a "no, I am not letting you see the messages," and an agenda to put the knife into his enemies. Somehow, by lack of information, we are to believe that Mr Gove was innocent of all the accusations (anybody smell a rat) and that with all the concern DC had, he was happy to break the rules with his trip to Durham Castle.
There were lots of accusations which, as part of a conversation and in context, would be perfectly acceptable. Anybody in charge of an economy might ask whether we should lock everything down when it was a specific part of the population who was affected. That would not mean I wasn't going to protect the ones who would be disproportionately affected.
In the early days, I was more dismissive of the affects of the virus because we had heard of so many potentially life threatening viral infections before which had come to nothing. There is no doubt we were complacent but I have seen little to suggest that any other Government would have done differently.
Hindsight is such a wonderful thing so I am more inclined to wait for a proper wide reaching inquiry to get a balanced version of events.