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Do you have friends who have declined to be vaccinated.........h ow do you deal with this (stay polite!)

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Luckygirl Wed 09-Jun-21 08:30:56

I have at least 2 and I struggle to find something to say to them when they bring it up. Neither are conspiracy theorists; neither have medical conditions that might influence their decision. Both are pleasant people.

I have to confess that it gets under my skin a bit. The more people who get vaccinated, the slower the spread and the nearer we get to managing this pandemic. We do not get vaccinated just for ourselves, but also for everyone else. These people are piggybacking on our taking the vanishingly small risk of being vaccinated.

Can they not see what is happening to the poor souls in India?

Does anyone else have such friends? Do you challenge their decision?

MaggsMcG Thu 10-Jun-21 18:31:30

I got the message for my 1st vaccine two weeks after my husband died from Covid-19 he caught in our local hospital. Its imperative that all who are eligible get it. If they don't they are being incredibly selfish. I only know one and she is only 20. I spent two hours trying to persuade her to go when the 20 year old are called. I dint think I was successful.

varian Thu 10-Jun-21 18:33:03

Glad to see Bettyboo22's rubbish was deleted by Gransnet.

The misuse of the word "research" is always a giveaway.

GeorgyGirl Thu 10-Jun-21 18:36:32

My sentiments exactly Nightowl.

varian Thu 10-Jun-21 18:55:10

Sorry I missed *Nightowl's *post. Ccn you repeat it please GeorgyGirl?

Kryptonite Thu 10-Jun-21 18:57:15

Nobody should feel forced to have a vaccine, as I feel I was. I had the AZ which I didn't want, but went ahead to please others, causing me much anxiety and stress. Luckily, I am not one of the (so far) 71 people who are dead because of the so-called life saving AZ jab. 17 people have had blood clots with the second AZ jab. I want Pfizer for my second vaccine. This is not allowed here, but it is allowed in many other countries. I have cancelled my second jab and rearranged. Whether I go through with it or not, I'm not sure. I feel like hanging on for 'mix and match'. I've had enough bad luck in my life already. I don't want to end up dead from an injection when I've come through so much. I know all the risk comparisons and they just don't cut it for me. Why is it ok to give people a vaccine that might kill them? I don't get it.

varian Thu 10-Jun-21 19:00:36

Please tell us where you got the statistic that 71 people have died as a result of getting the AZ jab

Nanatoone Thu 10-Jun-21 19:01:25

I have one friend who has refused the vaccine for personal reasons. I didn't enquire too deeply but I know it is to do with his mum being included in the covid numbers even though she died never having had a positive test and not dying of covid. It is truly ridiculous if that is the case, nonetheless I can't go to his 60th birthday party next month as I am not knowingly going to consort with the unvaccinated. I cannot understand why you would not want to protect yourself and those you love. I have had both of mine and am happy about that, was unwell first time around but a small price to pay.

Nagmad2016 Thu 10-Jun-21 19:08:12

My SIL and her family all refuse to have the vaccine. She gets very angry when the subject arises and I suspect she would have it by choice, but doesn't want to lose face now they are 'making a stand'. I'm not sure of the reasons behind their attitude, other than 'us' vaccinated people are the guinea pigs and she quotes what she has read about the contents of the vaccine on line, and in The Sun!

Ginny42 Thu 10-Jun-21 19:15:19

I was really ill after the second vaccine and after several tests -heart monitors and a range of blood tests,- it seems I have an underlying health condition I knew nothing about. I'm feeling much better, but have yet to have the conversation with the Dr about what next. However, it has made me very nervous about any booster jabs.

Peasblossom Thu 10-Jun-21 19:25:53

If you are in the UK Nagmad your friend is wrong. The criteria for inclusion in the figures is within 39 days of a positive test.

I know some people, who don’t believe that Covid is a killer, want to deny that their relatives had it. Belle Mooney is a high profile case in point.
But it will only be recorded as a death with Covid if there is a (post-mortem if necessary) positive test.

Peasblossom Thu 10-Jun-21 19:26:12

30 days.

Beeb Thu 10-Jun-21 19:40:28

MaggsMcG So sorry for your loss.

Amberone Thu 10-Jun-21 19:42:29

but I know it is to do with his mum being included in the covid numbers even though she died never having had a positive test and not dying of covid.

Nanatoone I don't understand this - how would someone even know if a death was included incorrectly in the covid death statistics?

Diane318 Thu 10-Jun-21 20:14:29

I also have friends who refuse to be vaccinated. I believe the only way to slow the spread of Covid is for people to take up the vaccine. I think those who don't are only making this whole thing take longer to resolve.

Kryptonite Thu 10-Jun-21 20:35:05

Rivercross - so sorry about your brother-in-law. 💐

Kryptonite Thu 10-Jun-21 20:38:05

Variant - yellow card reporting on the government website.

chrissy08 Thu 10-Jun-21 20:48:44

I won’t have a vaccine that has so many possible catastrophic side effects. Had Covid & relying on my body to have built a defence system. No one will convince me to take something being pushed so hard with no scientific evidence. If you want to say I’m selfish - back it up.

varian Thu 10-Jun-21 20:50:39

No scientific evidence?

What rubbish. It is not possible for any vaccine or medicine to be approved in this country or elsewhere without scientific evidence that it is both safe and effective.

Torbroud Thu 10-Jun-21 20:59:03

Idiots.

Kryptonite Thu 10-Jun-21 20:59:41

Purple star you are not allowed to choose which vaccine you have in this country. Otherwise I'd choose Pfizer. The blood clot issue affects more women than men, not just younger women. (See yellow card reports on Gov website.) AZ has three times as many 'complaints' as Pfizer.

optimist Thu 10-Jun-21 21:00:47

I know several people who have not been vaccinated. Mostly young intelligent rational people.. even my own 54 year old son. I do feel I should respect their personal choice and they should respect mine.

pigsmayfly. Thu 10-Jun-21 21:01:32

We had our washing machine repaired last week. The repair man came in, no mask and in conversation it transpired that he had no vaccinations. His reasoning was that the average person dies at 82, the average person dies of covid at 84 so who cares? Well the problem I had with that was that actually I care and although we are all double vaccinated, I still don’t want Covid. Also his argument was of course nonsense.

babzi Thu 10-Jun-21 21:01:33

Normally, I consider these things very carefully and don't instantly run for vaccinations on government advice. However, the risk of covid 19 is so high I didn't consider for long not having it. There are some people who simply cannot have it as the risk is high for them. So, where a person can have it I really think they have a responsibility to others to take it. So, yes, your friends have the right not to take it. However, in this position, and given the delta strain is cause for concern, if the friends don't have a genuine medical reason for not taking it, then I would reconsider my ability to socialise with them for the immediate future at least.

varian Thu 10-Jun-21 21:10:17

There is a desperate need for better education - in understanding the basis of science, statistics and risk, critical thinking and logic.

People must be taught how to be sceptical and rational and question the nonsense conspiracy theories that are being foisted upon them.

Sclix Thu 10-Jun-21 21:14:44

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Scroll down document to Annex 2 and you can download each vaccine adverse effects.