New infections - 100000 per day?

The lockdowns were never going to stop the virus. They were only designed to protect the vulnerable and the NHS hospitals. Which is what the vaccines appear to be doing. We have to learn to live with this virus and they are continously working to find better treatments for both the long a d short term effects.

Leaving my children was a total act of selflessness. I had not a single maternal instinct and they were far better off with their father than living with me in a loveless marriage or in a squat down the old Kent road once I started uni. My darling daughters thrived. They got degrees, are happily married and I have a fantastic relationship with both of them. But women don’t do this do they…. They are not honest to themselves and what they really want. We were programmed to do what was expected of us and if we deviated from this norm we were demonised. Do you have the slightest idea how hard this was?
My daughters now In Their 40’s admire me for the courage I had to do this and may I assure you starting uni on the same day as my eldest daughters 7th birthday knowing I might never see her again was the hardest thing I’ve ever done.
I now exist on a state pension and a small work related pension. My only vehicle is a 25 year old campervan. Certainly nothing flash. So please don’t make presumptions.
I’ve certainly not suggested that many COVID deaths were preventable but as our great leader states that obesity is certainly an attributable factor and the obesity epidemic needs to be addressed in our society.
And Germanshepherdsmum, I’ve actually liked many of your posts and agreed with them but please look at the statistics regarding obesity levels. And yes I am delighted that this conversation is virtual as I can not abide those who have to demonstrate their presumed moral superiority at every instance.

Marydoll

*Miss Chatelaine*, obesity, which you mention, is only one underlying condition out of the many which made people extremely, clinically vulnerable.
What about the other conditions, which made shielding necessary? Do you feel they are also self inflicted? I am genuinely interested?

I’ve followed many of your contributions with awe and humility at how you have dealt with recent events and illness. I can not imagine being as ill as you have been. I have followed your progress regularly.
However I know I have been unbelievably lucky with my good health throughout my life. I suspect that this is genetic. My dad is 90 next week and I’m am arranging a family party for him. He lives 5 hours drive from me. He also has never had a days illness. He’s a bit stiff in the joints but that is it. He totally denied having received a shielding letter and continued to do his supermarket shopping and all other contacts. As he says to me “if I go now I won’t have missed much” which is a fantastic way of looking at things. I am however a very strong believer in that we are all responsible for our own health. My wife loves good food and wine and hates any exercise. She is seriously overweight and I worry daily about her health. She has worsening joint issues (new knee and hip) due to obesity and may well be pre diabetic (if not worse) I would do anything to get her to address these issues which I know will get worse in time but at the end of the day I know that unless she is motivated to do something nothing will change. So yes there are things we can do something about and other things which we can’t.

Well I think you’re a miracle worker *MissChateline saving 33% of your wages, from, I would imagine not a particularly well paid job, sometimes residential, but with some overheads. But then you weren’t supporting your children when younger, or helping anyone else apart from you, except in your paid employment. I echo others views on your attitude, in particular to other people, I think you are most uncharitable, both in thought and deed, arrogant with it.
Leeds22 I don’t know how quiet your Sunday afternoon will be kick off isn’t until 8pm.
Meanwhile, back to the OP, I look at our local figures, both in our village, nearest town and County and what we know is happening where we live. We’ll continue to thoroughly wash our hands, mask up when it’s crowded or to respect others and support local business. I will be extending my current voluntary work.

I'm fat and rent a house, I will go directly to hell
obviously

I'll meet you there JaneJudge!

FRiends went to a wedding recently and 50% of the guests got Covid. Several of them now fighting for their life.

Thank you for your kind response.

A few years ago, I suffered an allergic reaction to new medication and was rushed to hospital. Tests revealed that I had also had a heart attack. I had absolutely no idea that I had a heart condition.
Every scan showed I had healthy arteries, no leaky valves, low cholestorol and heart working normally. It was a complete mystery.
The conclusion was that diet and life style were not the cause and it was certainly not self inflicted. ( I have to admit to being pretty mad at the unfairness of it all) I was advised that there was no need for me to see a dietition or attend the cardiac rehabilitation gym classes, as I was already following a healthy lifestyle.

The cause could not be found. However, after six months of lengthy and some pretty invasive investigations, it was discovered that my RA had basically attacked my heart and caused irreversible damage, deep inside it. My heart is failing and there is absolutely nothing that can be done.

So you see, here is someone one, who tried to be responsible for her own health, but to no avail. Good living was all for nothing.
On top of this, I have chronic lung disease for over forty years, never smoked in my life, but it came out of the blue put me in ICU for six weeks, just after my wedding. The trigger was never found. I had never been ill up until then.

On reflection, I wish I had lived the good life, smoked, drank, took drugs at university, lay in front of the television, eating rubbish. It would not have made the slightest bit of difference to my health, but at least I would have had some great fun!
I took responsibilty for my own health, just like you have suggested, but actually, presently I feel it was a total waste of time. Some of us just have no luck in the lottery of life.

As for being required to shield, there is good reason for doing so. You don't just die quietly. Dying from Covid is horrific. One of my consultants explained what would happen to me, literally putting the fear of death in me. . Also he also informed me that if if caught Covid, there would be no point in admitting me to hospital, it would be a complete waste of resources, as I certainly wouldn't survive.

You are indeed very fortunate with your good genes, however, I think you are actually either very insensitive or just plain naive. There must be others like me on GN, who have read your posts and thought: Walk in my shoes for just a day.

I am certainly not sorry for myself and glad I did shield, wear a mask and do all that was asked of me. It was hellish, but I am a strong person and with the support of my family and friends, survived it.

I was only in Coronary Care for one night after my second heart attack in January, it was too risky for me to be there, so I was sent home. I saw frightened and worn out staff, on their knees, because people were dying in their care. Many of those patients, thought it wouldn't happen to them! That is why I was horrified to read of tradesmen working maskless in your home, during the pandemic. I'm surprised that was allowed.
The district nurse wasn't able to come into my home, due to the high risk for me, so I missed umpteen important blood tests.

If I hadn't done what I was asked to do, I think it is highly unlikely that I would be here, writing this.
I am not a fool, who blindly bows to the Government's demands, I am someone, who is well read and have a thirst for knowledge and I have made sure that I am up to date with all the latest developments.

I have to say, I wasn't shocked at your views, just saddened at your lack of empathy.

Sorry, that was meant for Miss Chateline. I wrote, deleted and re-wrote my post so many times, as I was afraid I would be sent to the Doghouse.

Marydoll

Gosh.....just how judgemental with no insight whatsoever. But I guess that I have made a huge positive contribution to the lives of the many people who i have supported over the years through my career.
No i didn't earn a lot but I was disciplined enough to make sacrifices. No i wasn't supporting my children in their younger years. But as a stay at home mother I wouldn't have been anyway. Uncharitable I think not if you know me. How quick people are to make judgements.

MissChateline, no-one is disputing the huge contribution you have made to people's lives. It can't have been an easy job and I admire you for that. You have been very honest about your past and how you turned your life around is commendable.

However, you have not done yourself any favours by implying that people are somehow to blame for their own poor health and misfortune. That immediately get posters' backs up. Was that your intention? An agent provocateur?

I would never expect, nor want sympathy from anyone for my situation, but empathy is a different matter.
You cannot accuse posters of being judgemental, when you yourself have been judgemental of others.

But that is the whole point...People are to blame for their own poor health . Who is to blame for an individual being obese ? Obesity leads to diabetes. Preventable or not ?
Yes i am lucky . I can get out and exercise in the country. But if I was living in city I would still get out and walk 10 miles. Its about motivation.

MissChateline I am diabetic and have been for over 30 years. I wasn't overweight (never mind obese), didn't smoke, drank rarely and exercised regularly. I now don't drink alcohol at all. I had a heart attack, for which diabetes is a risk factor. I didn't "deserve" to be ill, any more than Marydoll does. Actually, you would hate to walk in my shoes because I suffer from excruciating diabetic neuropathy. 25% of Covid deaths have diabetes on the certificate as a comorbidity. My condition is nowhere near so serious as Marydoll, but it still means that I am more likely to be seriously ill if I'm infected with Covid. I've had two vaccinations, but we all know they're not perfect, so if people are going to abandon their masks, it will mean that I have to be extra careful, so my freedom to act as I want is restricted. It really gets up my nose when some people suggest mask wearers are "scared". No, they quite rationally, don't have a death wish.

How do you suggest I could have avoided diabetes? The consultants I saw when I was first diagnosed didn't have an answer. Do you?

I haven't mentioned obesity, you seem obsessed with it.
There are many other underlying health conditions, which resulted in people being at high risk of death from Covid.

Are you saying we are all to blame for our own ill health?

Growstuff are you really saying that this isn’t caused by the individual not taking responsibility for themselves and is not preventable?

Yes, I am saying that in my case, at least, diabetes wasn't preventable. I was diagnosed when I had a blood test for something else because I didn't present as the "typical" diabetic.

MissChateline is partially correct though. I took this from the Kings Fund.

‘Long-term conditions are more prevalent in older people (58 per cent of people over 60 compared to 14 per cent under 40) and in more deprived groups (people in the poorest social class have a 60 per cent higher prevalence than those in the richest social class and 30 per cent more severity of disease) (1).
www.kingsfund.org.uk › tren...
Long-term conditions and multi-morbidity | The King's Fund’

However it’s also partly just the luck if the draw, and as we get older the chances of having a long term condition increases for us all unfortunately, however hard we try to keep ourselves fit and healthy.

Sorry I had no idea, I had no idea that there were so many illnesses out there. I’ve never ever suffered from anything and neither have any of my friends or family ever been ill. Yes I am obsessed by obesity as as an adolescent I suffered from anorexia. It does appear that it is an underlying issue for so many illnesses. It is preventable and is the root cause of so many deaths.

Obesity has been discussed many times on GN. On the one hand, yes, it is preventable, but the reasons it's so prevalent in certain communities is relevant. People comfort eat. Somebody who's struggling with life generally isn't going to bother too much about counting calories or thinking long term. There's also a reason why the majority of over 60s are overweight or obese or maybe you think they're all lazy and don't understand about nutrition.

Jeez oh, pardon my French!!! I am not obese, never have been neither do I have have diabetes. I was twenty one, when I first became ill.

I have RA, my mother, maternal aunt, maternal uncles all had autoimmune diseases and now my cousins have RA.

My chronic lung diseased is caused by the Cystic fibrosis gene. It was only detected a few years ago, by accident.
My three children are all chronic asthmatics and one definitely has the gene.

Now I feel really upset, knowing its all my own fault and I am responsible for not taking care of myself and my children.!
Please enlighten me how this could have been avoided.

Actually I'm not upset, I have done my best to keep well, couldn't have tried any harder.
Half baked theories and ill informed posts, GN at its best! ?

MissChateline

Sorry I had no idea, I had no idea that there were so many illnesses out there. I’ve never ever suffered from anything and neither have any of my friends or family ever been ill. Yes I am obsessed by obesity as as an adolescent I suffered from anorexia. It does appear that it is an underlying issue for so many illnesses. It is preventable and is the root cause of so many deaths.

You do say on another thread that you think you had Covid so you have suffered from that.

Marydoll

Growstuff, thanks. No need to worry about me, I'm a tough old bird! The body may be weak, however, definitely not obese, but the spirit is very strong indeed! ?

I am off to bed, still biting my tongue. Can you imagine the shock if sensible, goody two shoes, ?, Miss Marydoll was banned from GN for posting what was really on her mind???? ?

MissChateline Individuals are NOT responsible for their own ill health, some of it, but not all. This applies to obesity as well as high blood pressure and high blood sugar.

Many families have genetic markers that increase their likelihood of getting certain illnesses. DH's family have a history of pancreatic illnesses, cancer as well as diabetes, that is unassociated with obesity or poor lifestyles. DH has inherited them and so has DS. DD has not. My DDiL's family have a very high incidence of stomach cancer and her father died of the disease when she was 7 . She and her sister have regular screenings, in case they too have inherited the gene, but so far so good.

I can think of several other people whose ill health has genetic determinants, which has led to them developing specific diseases and even an early death.