New infections - 100000 per day?

I hoped you would post and explain it better than I ever could Monica

Unfortunately, I seem to have had an overload of genetic markers,. I'm willing to share!

I'll be back in a bit; I'm just off to go and tell DS that his life-long asthma is all his own damned fault. I may be some time......

I can think of several other people whose ill health has genetic determinants, which has led to them developing specific diseases and even an early death.

Good post, M0nica

Now the human genome has been mapped and more is being found out about disease from genetic testing, we realise just how many of us carry hereditary genetic faults or have mutated genes which have occurred through no fault of our own.

It may or may not be a good thing to know; on the one hand knowledge could mean we are aware and take extra care and/or have regular tests, on the other this could cause extra stress and anxiety.

growstuff

*Growstuff are you really saying that this isn’t caused by the individual not taking responsibility for themselves and is not preventable?*

Yes, I am saying that in my case, at least, diabetes wasn't preventable. I was diagnosed when I had a blood test for something else because I didn't present as the "typical" diabetic.

My friend was not typical either, growstuff, tall, slim, fit, ate healthily.

She was treated for T2 for two years until she became very ill and they realised she was T1, now managed thank goodness.

MissChateline

But that is the whole point...People are to blame for their own poor health . Who is to blame for an individual being obese ? Obesity leads to diabetes. Preventable or not ?
Yes i am lucky . I can get out and exercise in the country. But if I was living in city I would still get out and walk 10 miles. Its about motivation.

No, it's not about motivation at all.

I thought we'd been through all this on earlier threads.

And no, people are not to blame for their own poor health

If you and your family are lucky enough to have good genes then that is wonderful but it is no reason for condemning others who may not be so blessed.

I have been very lucky in the fact that I have never had a serious days illness in my life. The last time I was confined to my bed was when I was 13 with German measles. But I have always looked after myself. I exercise daily, walk 10 miles and regularly do weight training. I could not imagine ever eating any junk food and I maintain a very healthy BMI.

So do others who suddenly found it was not enough.

Christian Erikson for one, in the news recently. He was lucky but I know several others of all ages who were not.

Mincub

UK inquiry findings

In the UK an independent examination of the pandemic, yesterday accused the UK government of ignoring the pandemic at the outset.

The People’s COVID Inquiry has been hearing from doctors and experts for several months and yesterday it joined calls for an independent judicial inquiry as it set out some preliminary findings.

The inquiry said there was “still time” for a coherent policy to end community transmission of the virus without implementing nationwide lockdown.

It called for the UK to implement urgently established public health measures, including enforcing the wearing of masks and social distancing in indoor spaces.

It supported test, trace and isolation with economic support for quarantining.

Chair Michael Mansfield QC said: "For four months we have been hearing from the bereaved and from leading world experts, for four months we have got on with the job the Prime Minister has declined and which he has no real intention of carrying out.

“The pandemic has uncovered a government unfit for purpose and at the same time a democratic deficiency in which there is no accountability (even when caught on camera) until shamed by public demand. Otherwise, pandemic policy cannot be effectively challenged.”

Thanks for that Mincub.

Miss Chateline ..
You say "people are responsible for their own poor health" which is a sweeping and very unfair statement.

6 years ago I was diagnosed with the extremely rare auto immune illness 'pemphigus vulgaris'. 3 in 100,000 people are diagnosed, and pre-steroids 95% of those diagnosed would die within the first year of diagnosis.

I am on drugs given to organ transplant patients, plus steroids, to try to control this incurable illness, so being severely immuno compromised I am extremely high risk and vulnerable.

Unfortunately I cannot afford to hide away at home to protect myself and have to work full-time (not possible to work from home either, but have a good boss who does all he can to keep me safe).

I am doubly vaccinated against Covid but with my immune system illness the vaccine has a lower efficacy for me (I was told this by the nurse who gave me the vaccine, and my consultants) so I need to be extra careful because of that too.

I will continue to do all I can to keep myself safe including wearing a mask which I do not enjoy.

Maybe you should put yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than yourself before making sweeping statements that come across as uncaring and yes the "sod you I'm alright Jack" attitude.

Be kind always .. you never know what others are dealing with .. it's not always obvious either!!

Marydoll

Thank you for your kind response.

A few years ago, I suffered an allergic reaction to new medication and was rushed to hospital. Tests revealed that I had also had a heart attack. I had absolutely no idea that I had a heart condition.
Every scan showed I had healthy arteries, no leaky valves, low cholestorol and heart working normally. It was a complete mystery.
The conclusion was that diet and life style were not the cause and it was certainly not self inflicted. ( I have to admit to being pretty mad at the unfairness of it all) I was advised that there was no need for me to see a dietition or attend the cardiac rehabilitation gym classes, as I was already following a healthy lifestyle.

The cause could not be found. However, after six months of lengthy and some pretty invasive investigations, it was discovered that my RA had basically attacked my heart and caused irreversible damage, deep inside it. My heart is failing and there is absolutely nothing that can be done.

So you see, here is someone one, who tried to be responsible for her own health, but to no avail. Good living was all for nothing.
On top of this, I have chronic lung disease for over forty years, never smoked in my life, but it came out of the blue put me in ICU for six weeks, just after my wedding. The trigger was never found. I had never been ill up until then.

On reflection, I wish I had lived the good life, smoked, drank, took drugs at university, lay in front of the television, eating rubbish. It would not have made the slightest bit of difference to my health, but at least I would have had some great fun!
I took responsibilty for my own health, just like you have suggested, but actually, presently I feel it was a total waste of time. Some of us just have no luck in the lottery of life.

As for being required to shield, there is good reason for doing so. You don't just die quietly. Dying from Covid is horrific. One of my consultants explained what would happen to me, literally putting the fear of death in me. . Also he also informed me that if if caught Covid, there would be no point in admitting me to hospital, it would be a complete waste of resources, as I certainly wouldn't survive.

You are indeed very fortunate with your good genes, however, I think you are actually either very insensitive or just plain naive. There must be others like me on GN, who have read your posts and thought: Walk in my shoes for just a day.

I am certainly not sorry for myself and glad I did shield, wear a mask and do all that was asked of me. It was hellish, but I am a strong person and with the support of my family and friends, survived it.

I was only in Coronary Care for one night after my second heart attack in January, it was too risky for me to be there, so I was sent home. I saw frightened and worn out staff, on their knees, because people were dying in their care. Many of those patients, thought it wouldn't happen to them! That is why I was horrified to read of tradesmen working maskless in your home, during the pandemic. I'm surprised that was allowed.
The district nurse wasn't able to come into my home, due to the high risk for me, so I missed umpteen important blood tests.

If I hadn't done what I was asked to do, I think it is highly unlikely that I would be here, writing this.
I am not a fool, who blindly bows to the Government's demands, I am someone, who is well read and have a thirst for knowledge and I have made sure that I am up to date with all the latest developments.

I have to say, I wasn't shocked at your views, just saddened at your lack of empathy.

Can I give you a huge virtual hug Marydoll x

It will need to be a virtual one Maybee. ? I haven't been allowed to hug my granddaughter in over a year. She was shielding too, and I would die for a hug!
There are people with worse to bear than me, so please don't feel sorry for me.

Gran16 is absolutely correct, the vaccine is not as efficacious for those like us, who are immunosuppressed and we need to be extra vigilant.

In fact, Gran16 also deserves a virtual hug too. I am lucky, I don't have to go to work, I don't know what I would have done, if I had still been teaching.
From me to you, Gran16. ?

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Marydoll

It will need to be a virtual one Maybee. ? I haven't been allowed to hug my granddaughter in over a year. She was shielding too, and I would die for a hug!
There are people with worse to bear than me, so please don't feel sorry for me.

Gran16 is absolutely correct, the vaccine is not as efficacious for those like us, who are immunosuppressed and we need to be extra vigilant.

In fact, Gran16 also deserves a virtual hug too. I am lucky, I don't have to go to work, I don't know what I would have done, if I had still been teaching.
From me to you, Gran16. ?

I’m not feeling sorry foryou Marydoll: just admiring you more than anything….

Suesysue….unbelievable….. don't believe working with the homeless, drug addicts and down and outs bears any reality to what you actually made your money from. To do this type of social work, you have to be a selfless, empathic, socially aware, caring person with a really big heart..
How on earth could you justify writing this. I’m not going to put in print what my actual role was for the last 15 years of my working life because it’s is a bit identifiable. But may I assure you that I was an exceptionally good hostel worker for many years then and went on to a more professional role which required a great deal of slick and empathy. Curiously I was often allocated some of the more difficult clients because I had a reputation of being good at my job (which required vast amounts of understanding, empathy and association skills) and achieving results. I am more than happy to send you a PM with proof should you doubt my honesty. What would satisfy you? Possibly urn out was responsible for my decision to retire early .

Why did I have children? Because I was naive, so lacking in confidence after a very damaging boarding school education and lack of any parental love or care. It was expected that after you got married the next thing was that children arrived and I went along with this without questioning it. When I finally found my voice and confidence I made very difficult choices.

Maybe the ones lacking in empathy are those who can not even begin to understand a life other than their own and those who are so quick to judge and write under anonymous names about things that they probably have no idea of.

“Slick” ….not sure where that came from!

There are certain contributors on here that enjoy winding folk up. My ADVICE is to IGNORE their posts. Once you understand what their game is, you can stop getting sucked in.

Ah well……maybe I should learn how to knit my own apple pies and become a proper grandmother.
This is the first time I have ever started to discuss my awful experiences as a mother in the 70’s and early 80’s . The total lack of support then . For example I breastfed my first daughter successfully for 12 months but was unable to for reasons that became clear years later and no fault of my own. The NCT councillors and health visitors made me feel like a total failure as a mother from the beginning. Making the decision to leave my children was not a selfish act, but quite the opposite.
In all honest would you stay in a loveless marriage for ever? Would you take your children to a life where you had nothing or would you let them stay with their father where they had stability and a roof over their head and a chance in life.
I have not disclosed these very painful experiences as a “wind up or a game” but as a point of reference for where I am coming from in some of my comments. If you wish to dismiss them as such then fine. But as someone earlier said “walk a mile in my shoes”

Whoops, really should edit…….the breastfeeding comment was about not being able to breastfeed my second daughter from the start having successfully fed my first daughter myself.

You've all seen the people celebrating the football and the big demonstrations in london, most people aren't frightened of things opening up! They can't wait!

Marydoll, Do you have cystic fibrosis or are you a carrier? I have heard of so many people being diagnosed later in life with CF now. My friends daughter in law has been diagnosed in her 40s and up until recently has been really well

Jane, I am a carrier of a certain defective gene and my consultant has said this is one of the reasons for my COPD. Years ago it was assumed that if you were a carrier, it wouldn't affect you. Now research shows this is not the case, especially in my son's case. Still lots of research to be done.

That's really interesting Marydoll, please look after yourself x

But as someone earlier said “walk a mile in my shoes”

And that is a good point, MissChateline. You are expecting some empathy and understanding from other Gransnetters but seemingly have none to give to others who may, through no fault of their own, be ill or coping with conditions which would make your kind of lifestyle impossible.
Telling people you've never had a day's illness because of your lifestyle is plain wrong so let's turn it on its head. You can enjoy your lifestyle yomping 10 miles a day perhaps because you have no inherited condition or disability.

It wouldn't necessarily stop you catching Covid either - it seems to be indiscriminate.

Be kind always .. you never know what others are dealing with .. it's not always obvious either!!

Gran16 that is so true
And some for Marydoll too

And anyone else who needs some