End of self isolation?

So Johnson and Sunak will isolate.

They only did the same thing they ask of us when forced.

Even they realised that their actions were indefensible.

This thread has been a good example of how people will spin themselves any story they like in order to defend appalling actions by this government.

Yeah I think quite a few trains were not running in London yesterday. Tomorrow could be interesting. For clarity it was the one rule for them one rule for other that the esteemed readers of the Mail were worried about.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD perhaps you could offer your fiscal policy knowledge to Mr.Sunak?

For the record I am not eagerly anticipating anything from The Government as the U.K. along with the entire world is currently ^steering through uncharted waters^

There are lots of good economists who could do it. Like the IMF which condemned our last session of tory austerity.

Sunak hasn't exactly shown himself to be adept at steering through these uncharted waters, either. Particularly with his 'Eat Out to Help Out and Spread Covid Far and Wide' scheme last summer.

I dont know if it's just about reading the room. Presumably they have access to data, my guess is the numbers deleting the app went through the roof today.

Johnson far more worried about the readers of right wing rags than how many have deleted the app.

I told my son to turn it off at work (a bar) because since returning after catching Covid a month ago he was pinged every shift. With clubs opening tonight (including his place of work) it is going to go crazy. I figure as he’s just had Covid he’ll get to boost his antibodies each shift

MawBe

^Talk about one rule for the plebs (us all) and one rule for them^
Why should anyone listen to anythig they say anymore. I am incandecent about this, and I can assure you I am not the only one. Just talked to close relatives who are lifelong Cons and they are as angry as we are. Their grandchildren have recently lost a lot of school time, one daughter found herself without childcare, and another son lost a massive opportunity- due to having to isolate

I’m sure many who work for TFL or Border Force would regard themselves as plebs according to your definition but I can also imagine the pearl clutching and outrage on GN if the entire “ping” protocol were abandoned without trialling first.
Damned if they do and damned if they don’t?
“Losing a lot of school time, being without childcare or losing business opportunities because of having to self-isolate” is about par for the course and considerably less serious than many others have had to cope with, so spare us the violins please.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Border force is a very specific case- as you well know.

And no violins for me, thanks - just giving an example, and I am fully aware it has been much worse for many. Which confirms that the 'one rule for them, one rule for the rest of us' is massively damaging, and actually very dangerous- as was Cummings sight testing jollies all those months ago.

Some people are looking for any excuse not to follow rules - and this will just give them the go-ahead. Can you truly deny this?

Seems that a quick look at social media this morning and plans are reversed. There seems to be a credibility gap where the government should be.

I do think NHS & social care staff need to be exempt from this or parts of it are going to collapse. My son’s care team are all young & all therefore go to bars/pubs & will therefore be pinged. My son requires 24 hour 2:1 specialist care. It’s a problem.

He has not be vaccinated (have tried, hasn’t been successful yet). His team are all vaccinated but I know plenty who have caught it after vaccination.

Think it just shows how risky this whole ‘freedom’ approach is for some. He has to have care, but if he catches Covid & requires treatment he would not be prioritised because he has a learning disability. Obeying the pings is risky for him as is ignoring them.

And honestly the 20 something age group seem to get pinged every tine they go out - it is rife in that age group.

This government seems to be ruled by populism. Straw poll this morning and a quick change of plan.

Nezumi65 I suspect many have deleted the app I have

Yes I agree Rosie and tbh I don’t think they have much choice. But it demonstrates the danger of this government approach to people like my son. Too many pings for people to use the app, so mixing with vulnerable people when really they should be isolating.

It’s been a populist party since Johnson became PM. God help us all.

MerylStreep

Your scraping the barrel when you have to resort to pointing out spelling/ grammatical errors to score a point.
Bit sad really ?

There was a time when anything on GN was scrutinised and criticised by some GNetters who were sticklers for grammar, spelling and punctuation regardless of the subject.

Is not one of the new 'freedom' steps to be contacts of people who test positive need not self-isolate if they have been double jabbed? If so it is good the government is trialling this before allowing everyone to do this. Certainly would expect government people to be involved in the trial as they will be very carefully monitored. Sensible plan. If it were junior ministers and civil servants rather than the PM and the Chancellor publicised for 'trialling' this approach, I wonder if there would be such an outcry.

Nezumi65

It’s been a populist party since Johnson became PM. God help us all.

Keep hearing this phrase 'populist' supposedly to denegrate our government. Surely populist means listening to the people, doing things to please them, giving the general public what they want. Isn't that the basis of democracy? Surely trying to be popular is exactly what we should expect of a democratic government.

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Quick u-turn (again)

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/britain-hits-vaccine-for-all-adults-target-as-health-minister-tests-positive-for-covid-20210718-p58aor.html

It was a U turn when they realised how it would go down with the public. Also given they’ve both got mansions to isolate in no great hardship, it also gets Johnson out of giving a “Churchillian” speech about freedom, no doubt penned for him by his creative team

Nezumi65 in our local paper a nearby pub where all of the staff have switched off the app at work and are lateral testing before each shift.

Is not one of the new 'freedom' steps to be contacts of people who test positive need not self-isolate if they have been double jabbed? If so it is good the government is trialling this before allowing everyone to do this.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to monitor double-jabbed people who have been contacts, while they are isolating, to determine the possible risk - before starting to do this in real life?

Has that already been done?

FarNorth that would be a sensible first step. Don't know if they took that one. Point being if we stay on course come mid-Aug this could be what we're doing. It will avoid so many self-isolating.

I've never heard of government ministers being the first to trial public health measures - but maybe it's the new normal!

Self isolating at Chequers will be a real ordeal- for sure!

Isolation on contact has to be changed so it is a good thing they are looking at this Perfectly healthy people having to stay off work is not ideal
They are already doing it in Jersey like us they have had an increase in cases and their testing facilities have been under a strain. Also lateral flow tests are not freely available like they are here