Double Jabber tested positive

M0nica

I have reported Growstuff' s post.

I have a fairly robust attitude to criticism of other people's opinions, including my own, but the second para of this post, to my mind, goes beyond what is acceptable.

I not as sceptical of the risks of COVID as love0C, but I too find many people's fearful attitudes worrying. I do not now wear a mask as a matter of course. If asked to I will, whether by a shop or an individual or in crowded situations, but otherwise I won't.

I do my supermarket shopping early in the morning when there are few people in the store and do not wear my mask. Were I to go into the store later in the day when it was crowded I would wear a mask.

Have you reported the person who called people "miserable" more than once? In my opinion, goading people into doing something with which they feel uncomfortable is bullying.

Alegrias1

^The probability of vaccinated people getting COVID is one in 500(0.2%) after the first jab and 1 in 3333 after the second jab( 0.03%) after the second, with the chances of becoming infected falling as time passed.^

That's not really true though, is it?

That is the incidence of covid infection in the sample group, which was 1.1 million self selected vaccinated people. It was also valid at the time of the investigation (May) and will depend on the prevalence of covid in the community. It is correct at the time of the research but should not be taken as an indicator of the actual chances of catching covid at any particular time.

I agree with you.

love0c, you say:

'The government along with the media have hyped up 'covid' to an alarming state, While in my opinion and indeed many scientists it has been grossly exaggerated.'

Why would they exaggerate? 129,743 deaths (so far) and countless lives ruined by long Covid - seems serious to me!

As the study was reported in May, it must have been carried out mostly in lockdown, and certainly when masks were mandatory, and social distancing the norm.

Also it was before the much more transmissible Delta variant arrived in the UK. We now have far more cases in circulation so unfortunately the chances of succumbing to Covid after being double vaccinated will be higher than when this survey was carried out.

Growstuff you are the only poster, apart from scammers, I have ever reported. It is not something I like doing, but regretfully I felt your remarks went way beyond anything acceptable.

Yes, but significantly higher? If each figure tripled it would still be 0.6% and 0.09%.

To get up to 1% the first figure would have to increase 500% and the second figure over 3000%. Do you really think that is possible?

M0nica

Yes, but significantly higher? If each figure tripled it would still be 0.6% and 0.09%.

To get up to 1% the first figure would have to increase 500% and the second figure over 3000%. Do you really think that is possible?

In early May the number of daily cases in the UK was around 2,000. In mid-July it was 48,000. An increase of x24, -ish

So the increase in the prevalence of the virus between May and July was 2300%.

So, yes, I think its possible.

1% is 1 in 100, compared to 0.03%, like you say, being 1 in 3333. Quite a significant difference.

I think the vaccine efficacy rates are completely out of date. As already said Delta and the number of community cases will have changed that.

Certainly the number of people I know well who have caught it after 2 vaccinations (calculates quickly in head - 5 so far) would suggest so. I don't know THAT many people.

I suppose in response to the original post I to have had both vacinnes and now have to trust them to do their job. If not there was no point in having them in the first place.
I do not intend to avoid people or going out and about as I normally would do. Covid is going to be about a while

I do not know anyone who has had COVID at any time. Not family, neighbours, friends or acquaintances, even though they live all over the country, including in central London and other cities. Many have been quarantined but none has caught the disease. As far as I am concerned the pandemic never happened.

This is the problem with anecdotal evidence. One person will not know anyone who has not had the disease. another, like me, will no no one who has.

This is why we need the evidence from large samples to say whet the overall experience is, which is often at odds with personal experience.

This is the problem with anecdotal evidence. One person will not know anyone who has not had the disease. another, like me, will no no one who has.

This is why we need the evidence from large samples to say whet the overall experience is, which is often at odds with personal experience.

I agree very much with this M0nica.

I too know of only one neighbour who has had COVID and she felt a bit grotty for a couple of days. I have only complied with what was actually the law ie masks in shops and public transport. Other than that I continued to do everything as normal. Including seeing family indoors, hugging, walking in the countryside twice daily and going to the shops several times a day if I needed to. I certainly didn’t isolate my post, disinfect my shopping or any of the other weird things that people seemed to be doing. Have I as much as sneezed in the past 18 months. NO……
Most of what was put out as the law was in fact only guidance and total unenforceable. I agree that as a society the images and information that was broadcast was designed to terrify everyone into obedience and I think now there are many who are still too terrified to start living again.
I fully understand the need for caution by the vulnerable but for the rest of us I think keeping healthy physically and mentally is just as important.
Now doubly vaccinated I intend to get on with enjoying life.

I have to confess that I have no scientific knowlege of vaccinations, but understand from what I've read and heard that the AZ vaccine can be "tweaked" to make it effective against variants by inserting a strand of DNA related to the variant. Apparently it is a new and different type of vaccine to the others. So presumably it would be simpler for us to have the AZ vaccine as a booster?

I think it's a good idea if we all continue to think about ventilation, as much space as possible for the situation, hygiene, and masks where possible. Then if we do find we've been somewhere that an infected person was, we'll have less chance of catching a large amount of virus than if we'd been right up close catching their saliva spray.

Delta variant is the new dominant highly contagious strain that we’re having to fight right now, thankfully the first batch of vaccines are able to significantly prevent serious illness or death, but the longer we have people resisting getting vaccinated, the greater the chance of further new even deadlier mutations, happily growing evermore resistant to our current vaccinated state !

I wouldn’t go to anything regular anymore, I even still do my Pilates class on zoom. Rarely go to restaurants. Wear medical mask in shops. Don’t take any chances, I don’t want to catch it myself but I look after my 94 YO mother so wouldn’t want to pass anything to her even though we’ve both had 2 Pfizer.

We have to accept that this is how life is now. Just be happy that you are vaccinated....so many across the world aren't

Double jabbing is only a partial insurance.
Recently a friend aged 68, whose son is a respiratory consultant died from COVID despite being double jabbed and having no underlying health problems.

Years ago now, when we still had to have a TB test done every year here in Denmark if you either worked with children or in a workplace that had more than ten employees, I tested positive every blessed time.

I have been vaccinated at least three times against TB and never had the illness. Finally, the doctors accepted that I have a false positive reaction to TB tests.

I don't know if this can happen with the Covid virus, but suspect it probably can.

I might nominate Nick Triggle for an award after this - serious reporting without scaremongering. Note the comment about why the 100,000 to 200,000 cases a day forecasts were given so much prominence.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58078900

We are out of lockdown just now but not allowed to have any visitors . We can go to restaurants though. In a way I quite like it because these days I can’t be bothered cooking for people other than family . We just meet in cafes and restaurants instead. No problem with overstaying guests, either! Most people my age have now been vaccinated but the younger ones haven’t . Mainly because of bad publicity about astra Zeneca and rumours that it doesn’t work against the Delta strain.

I know of 2 cases where relatives of those who have sadly died were very unhappy about COVID-19 being on the death certificate. These 2 people were very ill with other problems. Both had survived covid but died within 28 days.

It can happen- Covid is not going away, we have to learn to live with it. We love with flu and thousands die every year from that

The jab does not prevent you from getting Covid, it mitigates its effects

MissChateline Quite agree! Let us hope your comment does not start world war 3!