Christmas with the vaccine refusers??

Covid is not going to go away and there will always be those who are unvaccinated so it’s going to be a long term decision

I am genuinely interested in what you all seem to think is going to happen if you are the same room as a unvaccinated person? Anybody that is asymptomatic could pass it on vaccinated or not ..and if you’re unwell then surely that person would not visit anyhow .

I would not mix with anyone who had not been vaccinated. I cannot understand those people. Smallpox diphtheria , etc would still be endemic without vaccination.

Olive53

If the vaccine is so wonderful, why worry if some people haven’t had it. Surely it’s personal choice
You can still catch it vaccinated or un vaccinated

Wearing face masks is not the answer!!!! Stop testing if you have no symptoms that's the answer!!!
People are becoming neurotic with every sniffle, head ache, sore throat, and test themselves straight away instead of just getting on with life, it's just a cold!!!! Whatever happened to Common sense!!!

We have the highest covid rates in Europe.
Other European countries have mandatory mask wearing.
It isn’t ‘just a cold’.
People hospitalised in the current phase are largely unvaccinated.
You make your choices Olive and leave the r4st of us to make more sensible ones

Some work colleagues have just returned from a trip abroad where very strict Covid rules were enforced to the point where business cards could not be exchanged. One chap fully vaccinated had tested positive for Covid. I would not take any risks it just needs isn’t worth it.

You are not OTT, my FinL is ECV too, being 91 - but lucky our children and partner have all been jabbed, because of Grandad. However you do have the right to feel safe in company whether attheir or yours. Can you ask your son for ideas on seeing each other while caring for your husbands health?

Wearing face masks isn't the only answer, but all the evidence indicates they are part of the answer. Anything which stops infected particles from circulating in the air will help reduce transmission.

People hospitalised in the current phase are largely unvaccinated.

Who do people keep saying this when it isn't true? Comfort? Lack of understanding of Bayesian probability theory? Not understanding that rate isn't the same as absolute number?

All of it, probably. That and misleading headlines in the press.

In terms of raw numbers, more double-vaccinated people were hospitalised or died from Covid in England last month compared to un-vaccinated people.

But this is simply due to the fact eight in 10 adults — or 48.3million people — are fully vaccinated, leaving only a small number unprotected, and the vaccines are not 100 per cent effective.

www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/vast-majority-of-people-being-hospitalised-with-covid-are-unvaccinated/ar-AAOgLA7

OP You are not being OTT. I think you need to be a little more assertive and tell your DiL how you feel. It doesn't matter what she thinks of you. You have the right to do what's best for you.

DH and I currently have Covid and it's like a bad cold or flu (not worse) but we are double vaccinated. I would definitely not want the full force version. My father's 90th birthday at the end of this month will require all of us (vaccinated or not) to take Rapid flow tests before we meet up.

Why do they need to be vaccinated in order for your vaccine to be effective?
Why do they need to wear a mask if your mask is effective?
If the vaccine is a touchy subject don’t discuss it, but don’t force your willingness to accept an unlicensed vaccine onto them.

AJKW

Why do they need to be vaccinated in order for your vaccine to be effective?
Why do they need to wear a mask if your mask is effective?
If the vaccine is a touchy subject don’t discuss it, but don’t force your willingness to accept an unlicensed vaccine onto them.

They need to wear a mask because the wearer's mask doesn't protect him/her (or at least only partly). The idea is to stop the particles from being released into the atmosphere.

I don't see that expressing concern is forcing anybody to do anything, but if the OP is uncomfortable, she shouldn't feel pressurised into doing something she doesn't want to do.

The straight answer is no I wouldn’t have them over for Christmas, besides you will all be indoors with heating on. Too much of a risk

AJKW

Why do they need to be vaccinated in order for your vaccine to be effective?
Why do they need to wear a mask if your mask is effective?
If the vaccine is a touchy subject don’t discuss it, but don’t force your willingness to accept an unlicensed vaccine onto them.

She's not forcing. She's considering withdrawing HER company.

As the OP said, her husband is extremely clinically vulnerable. Are people in that category to have anti vaxxers forced into their company, possibly carrying a virus that is very dangerous, potentially deathly, to the ECV person?

Don't be vaccinated if you don't want to AJKW, but don't force your risky behaviour on the rest of us.

LizzieL

DH and I currently have Covid and it's like a bad cold or flu (not worse) but we are double vaccinated. I would definitely not want the full force version. My father's 90th birthday at the end of this month will require all of us (vaccinated or not) to take Rapid flow tests before we meet up.

You're getting off lightly LizzieL. My DD's step sister (double vacc'd), young woman of 32, has been ill for 3 weeks. Admitted to hospital. Her mum was beside herself with worry.

Casdon (I think) posted an article a few weeks ago about how the vaccines reduced transmission. So I went to find it again.

Lots of pre-release information, but this jumped out at me: After three months, people who had breakthrough infections after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca were just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated.

Being vaccinated helps, but it's not foolproof. Worrying about being near an unvaccinated person is going to drive us all insane, we have to get on with things. Everybody will judge for themselves what is right for them.

www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583

I'm ECV all family vaccinated and they test before a visit but they don't visit often or prolonged periods We will stay by ourselves again this year

I don't really like this almost "apartheid" that seems to have emerged because of somebody's vaccination status. As many have said, being vaccinated doesn't mean that you can't become infected or pass on the virus so discriminating against unvaccinated people seems rather pointless (and unfair). If you are concerned about the virus, as others have suggested, it's better for everybody to take a test before socialising (including yourselves).

I would say your house your rules. You might like to say that you are syaying home and having no visitors at all this year if you would be happy with a quiet christmas. I think the other thing is that I could agree to disagree with someone who had chosen not to be vaccinated but respected the choices of others but I could not be polite to evangelical antivaxxers especially those who spout nonsense to support their position.

esgt1967

I don't really like this almost "apartheid" that seems to have emerged because of somebody's vaccination status. As many have said, being vaccinated doesn't mean that you can't become infected or pass on the virus so discriminating against unvaccinated people seems rather pointless (and unfair). If you are concerned about the virus, as others have suggested, it's better for everybody to take a test before socialising (including yourselves).

if you don't like it then don't do it. Its a fact that vaccinated people are much less likely to carry and pass on the virus.

Sometimes I think my posts just don't show up. Only I see them and I'm really just dreaming all this. You lot are a figment of my imagination.

Agree. You need to protect yourself and DH .it's your home your territory.your rules. I bet they're not having the "I don't want to cause upset" conversation in their home?......

Luckygirl

Good advice above.

But I would struggle on another level - having vaccine refusers sharing my Christmas celebrations would irk me a great deal. I would prefer to celebrate with people who have common sense and a concern for others around them.

I am about to get jumped on I fear!!!

No jumping from me! I have already told DS that I won't be going to his house for C'mas if there is anyone there who is unvaccinated. Luckily, all DIL's (large) family are fully vaccinated, but I really would rather celebrate at home than risk catching Covid...
At the present rates of new infections, there will be between SIXTEEN & EIGHTEEN MILLION infections in the next year..!!! That's not what I call 'stable' ??

LizzieL

DH and I currently have Covid and it's like a bad cold or flu (not worse) but we are double vaccinated. I would definitely not want the full force version. My father's 90th birthday at the end of this month will require all of us (vaccinated or not) to take Rapid flow tests before we meet up.

Unfortunately not every double vaccinated person gets mild symptoms. I heard last night that a member of my craft group has died from Covid despite being fully vaccinated - she had no underlying health problems either as far as I know.

I feel very sad as this lady has been very cautious throughout, rarely going out with other people and following all the guidelines.

We know 3 folk who tested 3/4 times negative at home then developed symptoms so had PCR test done-positive!
We do our best, test regularly, mask up and avoid crowds.
Local SIL has just called round to retrieve their suitcases from our (larger than theirs) loft.
None of their family is vaxed.
I asked if they test-no!
We’re going on holiday this weekend same time as them. We’ll be in our own separate mobile home; they will be in their own caravan. We’ll meet up outdoors for walks; May sit in their outside annex for a drink.
Will, once again, ask if they’ll test before we go round at Christmas. If the answer’s «no» I prefer to stay home but DH knows this will cause upset ? IMHO less upset than if we became ill !