Criminally Negligent: What Jacob Rees Mogg Said! ?

Urmstongran

Well he’s given up on SAGE. Probably just as well.

Whose advice do you think he should follow?

lemongrove your thought processes must move in mysterious ways.

growstuff

Urmstongran

Well he’s given up on SAGE. Probably just as well.

Whose advice do you think he should follow?

Yes. I think we need an answer to this….

^There is far too much easy censoring going on.
far too much 'oooh, look what so and so is saying\doing now', at least he was being honest.^

Yes people...don't listen to or look at the politicians or judge them by their words and actions. Don't examine them at all. They're being honest, honestly. Nothing to see there. Move on.

Why listen to a politician? Especially one that you don’t like and would diss anything he says anyway.
We are all doing different things to minimise our chances of getting Covid simply because we are all different, health wise, age wise and so on.He can do what he likes, and so can all of you.Cases were bound to go up, universities are back, schools are operating normally and life is somewhat back to normal for most people, albeit some being more cautious than others. Although cases are rising, hospitalisation and deaths are still at manageable levels, which is the main thing.
Vaccinations are increasing, and that’s key to everything.

It's nice that you're all right Jack lemongrove.

My thought processes move in practical ways FarNorth not over emotional ways.Tends to end up in more sensible outcomes that way.?

I suspect that by describing Conservative MPs as ‘fraternal and convivial’, JRM was making a cheap political debating point at the expense of the constantly in-fighting Labour Party; the curse of the Oxford Union strikes him, as it does his buffoon of a boss. His defence of masklessness is understandable in this context, but remains inexcusable.

It's not understandable that he chooses such a serious subject to score cheap points.

If he could say, truthfully, that lack of mask wearing hasn't resulted in any ill health for his colleagues that would be a useful point and would get him equal publicity, I'd think.

lemongrove

My thought processes move in practical ways FarNorth not over emotional ways.Tends to end up in more sensible outcomes that way.?

And, if I may, who is the judge of how 'sensible' that is?

Supporting members of the Government who choose to openly, in the House- mock advice given by their specialist advisors- with numbers rising fast- sound more like 'head in sand' than 'sensible' to be honest.

But scoring cheap points in the House is what he does! For him and for the PM, scoring cheap points in the House of Commons is, too often, too irresistible.

grumppa

I suspect that by describing Conservative MPs as ‘fraternal and convivial’, JRM was making a cheap political debating point at the expense of the constantly in-fighting Labour Party; the curse of the Oxford Union strikes him, as it does his buffoon of a boss. His defence of masklessness is understandable in this context, but remains inexcusable.

It was a question from Pete Wishart of the SNP. Even more opportunity for Rees Mogg to show how he despises people who aren't like him.

The bit I don’t get is that you are still swallowing the ‘hospitalisations and deaths are still at manageable levels’ line lemongrove. Politics aside that’s patently untrue because of the impact of thousands of Covid patients occupying beds that are needed for other patients to clear the backlog that we know has built up over the last 18 months.
I’m not surprised that doctors are angry.

Rees Mogg.
If you don't like the man, hey, that's absolutely fine. But the one thing he is not is a complete and utter idiot.

Hospitalisation figures do not paint the full picture, with as many as a quarter of those listed having been admitted for another reason!

He is doing a good job of pretending then.
What he said is totally at odds with proven advice to be careful around mixing with others.

Urmstongran

Hospitalisation figures do not paint the full picture, with as many as a quarter of those listed having been admitted for another reason!

They've still got covid though, haven't they ?

Urmstongran

Hospitalisation figures do not paint the full picture, with as many as a quarter of those listed having been admitted for another reason!

Exactly that.
Plus hospitalisations and deaths are at manageable levels.
They may not be at levels we wish them to be, but they are certainly manageable.As life opens up it was inevitable that cases would go up, but there cannot be too many lockdowns.
Hopefully, not anymore at all.

I think you could say my daughter and her family know each other pretty well. GS1 has had Covid for 2 weeks and caught it from his two best friends - they don't wear masks at school.
DD has now had Covid for a week, in spite of being double vaccinated, having caught it from GS1. GS2 who is 8 tested positive yesterday and is really quite ill this evening. SiL is very vulnerable and we are just hoping for the best for him. DD's medical contact tells her the NHS don't know how they are going to cope. Never mind, I expect JRM will come up with a suitable bit of Latin to cheer us all up.

Urmstongran that’s irrelevant, as even if you deduct 25% there are now over 6000 covid patients in hospital (actual 8172) of which 800+ are in ventilated beds. Those beds could be used to treat others who are in need and on waiting lists. To put it into perspective that’s all the beds in 12 large general hospitals. It’s not small fry.

On Question Time now. Even Bowie agrees MPs need to show example and be more responsible!

GrannyGravy13

Face coverings are not mandatory in England.

But they should be. And how can Javid say people should be responsible when Rees Mogg stands up and just wastes time trying to be funny /sneery.

I’m not being aggressive here but how come Tory voters just relentlessly excuse condone and agree with everything any Tory MP says ?
Do they not think the Covid figures are shocking ?

Urmstongran

Hospitalisation figures do not paint the full picture, with as many as a quarter of those listed having been admitted for another reason!

I rest my case.

No Lucca I don’t think Covid figures are ‘shocking’ as there were bound to be rises round about now from life being ‘lived’ again.
Nor do I ( or any other Conservative voter on here I suspect)
Excuse/ condone/ agree with everything an MP says.
On Pritti Patel I think I disagree with almost anything she says.
I take Rees Mogg with a pinch of salt too, but then I don’t feel I have to do everything he says that he does.
Do you always agree with everything that a Labour MP says?
Probably about 50/50 ( if you are a LP voter?) Well, the same here.

A I’m not a Labour voter and B no I don’t

50/50 ?? I’ve never seen you criticise anything a Tory politician does.

As for being fine with how Covid is being “managed”, I find that astonishing and rather alarming.