COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

growstuff

Alegrias1

I started a thread once about the difference between fact and opinion.

Not many got it, really....

What an arrogant post!

I have just seen this as it’s where I left off last night.

??? really alegrais if you can’t see what is so wrong with that then you need to channel your inner awareness a tad.

But I think really it is best put to one side and I’ll pretend you didn’t say it.

“He's still a nurse educator though”

You have used this sentence a couple of times in your posts, but make it unclear what you mean by it?

Are you saying that a nurse educator part of who’s job it is to relay the latest research to clinicians is not the right person to go to for information?

Or are you saying that a Doctor of Nursing (PhD) with a teaching and research orientated degree is eminently suitable to disseminate the latest information relating to a pandemic.

In fact I would think it was right up his street.

I will continue to listen to Dr John Campbell for clear concise and balanced information.

I'm fed up "channelling my inner awareness" and trying to explain that a person with an advanced degree in learning methods isn't an unimpeachable academic who can tell us all about Covid.

That's all folks.

Campbell isn’t “telling us all about covid” though is he? What he is doing is bringing awareness of all the research papers publicly available.

He is the channel through which those watching his videos are educating themselves about all the scientific research and public data that inform our decision making.

Just imagine if the only information we had were government figures??

Alegrias1

I'm fed up "channelling my inner awareness" and trying to explain that a person with an advanced degree in learning methods isn't an unimpeachable academic who can tell us all about Covid.

That's all folks.

Quite! Well said Alegrias.
However much a person knows about education, and how to educate other people, that knowledge does not make the person an expert in anything other than how to educate people. In this case, a superior knowledge in how to educate nurses, and how to help to facilitate their learning.

Well, I think we should all get our information from Alegrias instead of wasting our time listening to Dr John or Spector. So I would like Alegrias to start a daily information thread to keep us updated with all the correct facts and figures.

maddyone

Alegrias1

I'm fed up "channelling my inner awareness" and trying to explain that a person with an advanced degree in learning methods isn't an unimpeachable academic who can tell us all about Covid.

That's all folks.

Quite! Well said Alegrias.
However much a person knows about education, and how to educate other people, that knowledge does not make the person an expert in anything other than how to educate people. In this case, a superior knowledge in how to educate nurses, and how to help to facilitate their learning.

So, the research papers, scientific articles, data from around the world etc etc?, that is used as the basis for the videos, are you suggesting that they should be ignored because the person bringing them to our attention is a teacher????

Bang goes all education?

Alegrias1

I'm fed up "channelling my inner awareness" and trying to explain that a person with an advanced degree in learning methods isn't an unimpeachable academic who can tell us all about Covid.

That's all folks.

The very fact that he:

Started with a BA in 1990
Went on to a BSc in Biology and Health in 1991
Post Graduate Certificate in Pharmacology in 1997 and an
MSC in Health Science in 1998
Topping it all with a Doctorate in Philosophy in 2013

... tells me he is interested in acquiring and passing on knowledge.

As far as I can see, no one believes he is an unimpeachable academic who can tell us all about Covid. Alegrais. He is not telling us about Covid. He is just putting forward some of the information readily available in a way that doesn't treat people as idiots or "less than". He is not an "I'm always right" man by any means. That he isn't you is something we will all have to live with.

maddyone

Alegrias1

I'm fed up "channelling my inner awareness" and trying to explain that a person with an advanced degree in learning methods isn't an unimpeachable academic who can tell us all about Covid.

That's all folks.

Quite! Well said Alegrias.
However much a person knows about education, and how to educate other people, that knowledge does not make the person an expert in anything other than how to educate people. In this case, a superior knowledge in how to educate nurses, and how to help to facilitate their learning.

Having got to the point that says the teacher is an expert in how to educate people you then seem to leave your first and accurate point and forget that this means a teacher should be able to teach about anything because what they are doing is teaching people how to learn.

In this case, a superior knowledge in how to educate nurses, and how to help to facilitate their learning.

I'm not sure why this is relevant. Of course, we understand Dr Campbell can and has done this. However, after saying teaching is unlimited in it's scope you now seem to be saying educating nurses is all this poor man can ever be capable of. What a put down! I would be very upset if I was a nurse.

Whitewavemark2
You ask why the term nurse educator are used.
Those are his own words on his LinkedIn page.

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
You ask why the term nurse educator are used.
Those are his own words on his LinkedIn page.

Yes I know.

Would you like to provide a link to that MerylStreep. I notice you haven't. I can only find, what seems to be an outdated LinkedIn profile as he is now semi-retired (it isn't used there). Perhaps you have found a more up to date one.

Well said American pie. As you say the vaccine deosn't stop us from getting the virus or passing it on. Bear in mind that a less vigorous immunity is also to do with having been locked up for so long. Fear is the biggest factor in creating anxiety and worsening mental health. Whatever happens, a positive attitude does help, I find.

I will just leave this here.

Sorry if I'm late to the party but ... last year, the Government claimed in their reporting of case numbers and testing that - for the sake of argument 50,000 tests had been carried out in a day.

But - they were including tests that had been posted to people, but not actually carried out.

They have a history of filling figures to suit their political ends in this pandemic.

I don't have any expertise in statistics, their recording or analysis but I am suspicious of this Government, they prefer not to answer questions, and hide information that should be public. We the public were conned in summer 2020 with Sunak's idiotic "eat out to help out" scheme, and I do wonder if in terms of comparing case numbers today, we are being conned in order for the Johnson gang to "show off" in Glasgow.

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
You ask why the term nurse educator are used.
Those are his own words on his LinkedIn page.

Yes - but does he have an HGV licence?

But are the lateral flow tests accurate. I’ve been told that they arent by my good friend who is having chemotherapy. Her chemo doctor told her this. Yet this is the one that the one doctors and nurses etc take before they go on the ward!!!!
My son had covid ( the only one in the family that got it) After 12 days he took a lateral flow test which proved negative. He booked his flight and children’s flights back to his place of work and had to do a PCR test 2 days before he went back. He took it. The kids were negative and he was still positive so had to cancel his flight back. If both tests were accurate surely they should have both shown the same results.

PCR tests are far more accurate than lateral flow tests I believe. A LFT picked up my grandsons covid before he showed symptoms and a PCR test was positive. It stopped him going on to infect other people. DD did LFT’s every so often and, as the virus ran it’s course it became weaker and weaker. She sent me pictures of it saying ‘this proves that LFT’s work’.

railman

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
You ask why the term nurse educator are used.
Those are his own words on his LinkedIn page.

Yes - but does he have an HGV licence?

I had to take my car for it’s MOT today. I got stuck in a traffic jam on the way because a lorry driver was struggling to reverse his lorry down a side road in one of the villages. All I could think of was the government deciding that new lorry drivers didn’t need to pass a test in reversing! That’ll be fun….

Sorry if I'm late to the party but ... last year, the Government claimed in their reporting of case numbers and testing that - for the sake of argument 50,000 tests had been carried out in a day. railman Mon 01-Nov-21 11:39:39

I think many find the government efficiency level suspect. That's why it's interesting to get figures that they don't control.

You could be right about Glasgow. The man doesn't seem to understand what "the truth" means. If that is the case, I wonder if we will see a spike afterwards. Or will they make sure the reporting or once again their bête noir (or would that be our bête noir?) of testing could be manipulated to provide the "right" figures.

I think they have long since stopped "following the science". I do realise this may be an exaggeration. If so, it is because they have put me in a position where I have an extreme lack of trust in those leading this Government. Not very good for a government in an emergency

There’s a difference between testing positive and being ill with Covid and that’s down to vaccination. The medics in my family tell me that 98% of those in hospital with it are unvaccinated.
I think we have to accept that Covid is with us now and we should just get our annual jab and get on with life with of course taking sensible precautions.

Back to the fact that there are many ways people translate "living with Covid" HannahLoisLuke and not everyone agrees with everyone else; that will include yours (and mine).

Interestingly, we do not have a government definition as it suits them not to take responsibility. I cannot see how we can move forward with this in any way when we all make it up as we go. It's the usual badly done and inefficient decision to protect their chances in the next election. They simply don't govern with the will of the people, they only electioneer.

Double vaccinated people with co morbidities are still at risk of severe illness and, sadly dying. Getting on with life must also mean doing everything possible in our own way to protect the vulnerable. We’re all in this together.

In case the nay sayers haven’t noticed, since very early in the pandemic, the UK have only been counting deaths in people who tested positive within the past 28 days. The majority die long after that and they don’t test again after confirmation once they have arrived in hospital. The death rate is hugely higher than the official statistics suggest!