COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

That’s great news about Oxford. As for the WHO, the way they have dealt with this pandemic right from the start has been shambolic. They even went to Wuhan and weren’t allowed to check the laboratory where the virus may have originated from. Didn’t close borders or say it was a pandemic till it had covered the globe. Advised against mask wearing etc etc.

Right this is my last post relating to Campbell, as the focus on one individual seems to becoming a tad excessive.

Campbell has mentioned and talked about the WHO advise and does not disagree with the findings..

Campbell himself directs people to read for themselves in his video.

For every apparent fraudulent report there are 10 others that are neither fraudulent and supportive of the use of ivermectin.

The point is that with a novel virus, every tool that can possibly help in the fight will be used. These may eventually give way to other more effective drugs, but when the NIH and agreed by the FDA shows that in 81 studies there is considerable evidence that ivermectin is a useful tool.

M0nica

Patients are always being tested when they are in hospital. DH was in hospital for 8 weeks (nothing to do with COVID) and was constantly being testedfor COVID Anyone dieing on a ward while being treated for COVID will be registered as having died of COVID. And the majority of COVID deaths are not over 28 days later

As well as that if you tested positively for COVID, recovered and three days later were killed in a car crash, it would be treated as a death from COVID.

Nice try at respreading an old COVID conspriracy Stella but it will not wash, we have been through this one before.

As well as that if you tested positively for COVID, recovered and three days later were killed in a car crash, it would be treated as a death from COVID. M0nica Mon 01-Nov-21 13:39:53

That is not true. The truth does matter; misinformation like this should not be spread.

If someone died from the trauma of a car crash, that is what would be on their death certificate. If they had tested positive within 28 days of their death, the death certificate would say "with Covid". Butchering the truth doesn't change it.

I can't believe that this COP26 is going on they have seem to had forgotten about covid 25000 delegates are queuing up to get into the conference plus all the protestors outside it's very scary

They do, thankfully, seem to be wearing masks thankfully. I really thought the pandemic would result in conferences being done by zoom though. It has to be the way forward.

MayBee70

That’s great news about Oxford. As for the WHO, the way they have dealt with this pandemic right from the start has been shambolic. They even went to Wuhan and weren’t allowed to check the laboratory where the virus may have originated from. Didn’t close borders or say it was a pandemic till it had covered the globe. Advised against mask wearing etc etc.

I absolutely agree with you Maybee, the way Covid was dealt with and covered up is disgraceful.

Not rot at all. Many people die with heart disease not due to heart disease, die with cancer but not because of cancer. My brother died due to the Covid vaccine so should his death be reported due to Covid? I had no reaction to the vaccine

MayBee70

They do, thankfully, seem to be wearing masks thankfully. I really thought the pandemic would result in conferences being done by zoom though. It has to be the way forward.

Not just the pandemic MayBee. This is a conference on Climate Change. No wonder the younger generations are angry.

kjmpde

Not rot at all. Many people die with heart disease not due to heart disease, die with cancer but not because of cancer. My brother died due to the Covid vaccine so should his death be reported due to Covid? I had no reaction to the vaccine

Who said what was "rot" kjmpde. I can't find anyone saying it.

I believe I used the word Pippa because somebody claimed that most deaths were "with Covid" and not "of Covid".

PippaZ

MayBee70

They do, thankfully, seem to be wearing masks thankfully. I really thought the pandemic would result in conferences being done by zoom though. It has to be the way forward.

Not just the pandemic MayBee. This is a conference on Climate Change. No wonder the younger generations are angry.

I feel very two faced in that I’m totally against the insulate britainers and how they’re protesting but I’m really behind Greta’s lot!

Off topic, but interesting, an article about fraudulent scientific papers:

cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/data-detectives-ivermectin-studies/

It's a serious issue, especially as ivermectin has become the "cure" of choice for some anti-vaxxers and it's being sold over the counter in places where vaccinations aren't available.

I'm glad that Oxford has been given a grant to do a proper study.

I first became aware of some of the myths being circulated about drugs when there were scare stories early in the pandemic about ACE inhibitors and ARBs. It was known very early that Covid uses ACE2 receptors as its way of entering the system, so it seemed obvious there might be some connection. This was, thankfully, debunked because millions of people take ACE inhibitors for high blood pressure.

In my opinion, the worst scare-mongers are some of our newspapers (mentioning no names but they're very popular). One of them in particular acts as a kind of "champion" of health but has some very suspect articles, littered with "ifs" and "coulds". There are also some very influential writers/doctors who contribute and more people listen to them than they ever do to Dr John Campbell.

Someone in The Times a couple of weeks ago said that most people who said they were suffering from long covid weren’t. Made me think, yet again, how similar it is to ME.

MayBee70

Someone in The Times a couple of weeks ago said that most people who said they were suffering from long covid weren’t. Made me think, yet again, how similar it is to ME.

I honestly don't know. However, it wouldn't surprise me if it gets shoved under the carpet as "all in the mind" or "shirking". I think there needs to be a serious study about Long Covid. We're approaching two years since the beginning of the pandemic, so there will be people who are still suffering long-term after effects. The children's author, Michael Rosen, is one of them. In his case, Covid affected hie sight and hearing. There are people who have more than a vague feeling of fatigue.

The importance of vaccination was been underlined by an ONS study just released noting: 'Unvaccinated people in England were 32 times more likely to die of COVID-19 than those who have been fully vaccinated.' This reflected data from 2 January to 24 September 2021.

A previous ONS study reported: 'In total, there were 256 breakthrough deaths between 2 January and 2 July 2021.'

A "breakthrough death" is defined as a death involving COVID-19 that occurred in someone who had received both vaccine doses and had a first positive PCR test at least 14 days after the second vaccination dose.'

As previously noted, a death involving COVID-19 often occurs where the patient has a pre-existing condition and is over 75 years old.

Infection rates are currently relatively high in secondary school children but low among people 75 of over.

The thing that worried me about my grandson was when he said when he was back at school he couldn’t concentrate on his lessons ie brain fog. Plus headaches and tiredness and anosmia. I haven’t asked recently but they did have a mini break last weekend and he looked ok in the photos. I’ve had friends with ME and had hoped that studying long covid would help them, too.

I don't have any argument with that Cunco.

As well as that if you tested positively for COVID, recovered and three days later were killed in a car crash, it would be treated as a death from COVID. M0nica Mon 01-Nov-21 13:39:53

I am coming back to this because I am very concerned about misinformation being spread on this forum. I have a "not in my name" feeling about it.

There is an article and video about how to react to misinformation, here. It suggests:

1. First ask where the information is coming from.
2. Pause before you share or reply.
3. Fact check the information.
4. Let others know if posts or articles contain misinformation so everyone can access the facts.

So, looking at the claim made above

1. We have no information about where the claim comes from.
2. This is my "pause and think" reply.
3. When fact-checked I found this article which shows this is misinformation. It is from the ONS
4. I am not sure if just saying this is misinformation on here is enough. This is not the first time this particular suggestion has been spread. Perhaps GNHQ should have a rule?

Thanks for posting the link Pippa.

varian

Imposing mask wearing in shops, crowded indoor settings and on public transport does no harm to the economy. It is a sensible precaution. Win win.

Totally agree. Were wearing masks again indoors after an initial dropping them after measures relaxing, I don't see the problem Tbh? I wouldn't think anyone's in a shop etc for longer than an hour max under normal circs usually about 10-30 mins for a shopping list? If mask wearing didn't have any benefits, then why were we all taught to cover our mouths/faces when we coughed/sneezed as kids?!? I think indoor masking s/b mandatory for winter at least to keep other nasties ,coughs/colds/flu etc at bay too. I also feel that if "restrictions" were re-christened as " protection measures" instead ,the feeling of being forced to do something may leave the collective psyche and go some way to shutting up the "what about my civil rights?" Bunch. After all we all wear seatbelts/stop at a red light/ give way at junctions to keep us and othe rs safe! What's the difference?!?

Jenny Harries has been criticised by the Office for Statistics Regulation for the reporting of the data on positive cases of those who are vaccinated/unvaccinated and notes that the data has been used to support an argument that vaccines are ineffective:

osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/ed-humpherson-to-dr-jenny-harries-covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-statistics/

People are more likely to test positive and possibly die if they are unvaccinated, but the way data was presented didn't give that impression.

Is that the Jenny Harries who said PPE shortages were due to NHS staff using them incorrectly or overusing them (or something like that).

Today’s U.K. figures, 7,000 less than last Tuesday!

Gabrielle56

varian

Imposing mask wearing in shops, crowded indoor settings and on public transport does no harm to the economy. It is a sensible precaution. Win win.

Totally agree. Were wearing masks again indoors after an initial dropping them after measures relaxing, I don't see the problem Tbh? I wouldn't think anyone's in a shop etc for longer than an hour max under normal circs usually about 10-30 mins for a shopping list? If mask wearing didn't have any benefits, then why were we all taught to cover our mouths/faces when we coughed/sneezed as kids?!? I think indoor masking s/b mandatory for winter at least to keep other nasties ,coughs/colds/flu etc at bay too. I also feel that if "restrictions" were re-christened as " protection measures" instead ,the feeling of being forced to do something may leave the collective psyche and go some way to shutting up the "what about my civil rights?" Bunch. After all we all wear seatbelts/stop at a red light/ give way at junctions to keep us and othe rs safe! What's the difference?!?

Good point.

It is good news that the UK figures are going in the right direction but before deciding whether or no to wear a mask, use hand sanitiser and keep 2m apart, you must look at the figures for you own local area. Last week our local area had an infection rate two and a half times the national average.