And getting the vaccine & being as safe as you can, is a conversation we should ALL be having with our own families.
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So far only a hypothetical situation, but what would you do?
(115 Posts)A delightful young woman does the same job as me, but usually at a different site so we only work together occasionally depending on staffing problems and timetable issues. She is lovely, clever, charming and good at her job. Normally I enjoy working with her. But, she is a Covid non believer! Neither she, her husband or her son have been vaccinated. She won't wear a mask. ( During earlier mask wearing instructions she had a " Covid exempt" lanyard. I had presumed it was a medical reason, but apparently not). She doesn't even believe in or does any testing. Back when the vaccinations first came out, as we were furloughed, we were sent to help at the vax centres. I absolutely loved doing it, but she refused as she didn't believe or approve of them.
I have really worked hard to stay safe and have always worn a mask at work all day, on public transport and in shops and public places. I have had all my vaccinations.
Staffing at work at the moment is really bad and we are being moved all over the place. The chances are that sooner or later, I will be sent to work with her or she will have to come to my location. Do you think I would be entitled or justified to refuse to work with her?
I most certainly not work with her, she has made her choice, which she is totally entitled to do, but she should be considerate of other people's feelings, she obviously i not and only cares about herself.
I would have a word with your boss and tell him/her of your worries. Even tripple vaxed she can still infect other people whether she believes it or not.
I feel that people who do not believe that Covid does not exist are totally ignorant and I think that companies should not employ these people if they have to be working with other prople.
I personally would choose not to work with her, she has CHOSEN to put you more at risk for very selfish reasons, someone who cannot have the vaccine does not have that choice. I would make the vaccine compulsory and would only let people have the lanyards through a GP. It reminds me of people misusing disability parking permits. It is really stealing and lying and should not be condoned.
Sadly, remember that vaccinated can pass on covid, just as much as unvaccinated. Also jabbed can get covid too... I'm not antivax nor a covid denier. We are going to have to live with it no matter what. Just saying.
I'm not attacking anyone on this thread. I'm just giving my views like everyone else.
Just stunned - so what does she think the people on ventilation and dying are doing.
My severely asthmatic son (got added to shielding list last lockdown) says he does not see how/why some are medically exempt from wearing a mask due to asthma?? He emphatically believes that wearing a mask HELPS his asthma, and keeps him safer- in fact when he goes out, (to medical appts & now back in college) he often wears 2 masks together, with no breathing trouble at all, & thats all day for college mostly.He wears gloves too.
I have been quite careful during the whole of the Covid lockdown rules etc. We didn't see family apart from talking to them from our car when we delivered and received Christmas presents last year. They have all been fine with it. I have several friends who are either widows, single ladies or are living with their husbands but have never had children. It would be incredibly rude of me to respond to their comments of "Oh you've just got to get on with it and stop worrying" by saying that I have more to lose than them having a husband, children and grandchildren but their hectoring advice drives me crazy at times. In their situations I might take a similar fatalistic approach but I would never be rude enough to question someone's reasons for wanting to cause the least distress to their families by taking unnecessary chances.
Totally you are in your rights to refuse to work with her. Vaccinations only work if everyone takes a shot. It is supremely selfish and idiotic of her not to. And you definitely should protect yourself from the risk she poses.
sandelf- does she think they are making it all up? For what reason exactly??
Should the situation ever arise, keep your counsel and keep your distance. Live and let live but don't let them live while you die ! By all means tell your manger that you are concerned but I don't feel that we have any right to tell others what to do so keep quiet and get on with your life your way. And do try to stop worrying- if you are vaccinated you ar not going to die now, are you ? So what's your worry really one wonders??
Mu husband is immunosuppressed due to having chemotherapy for leukaemia. My son, daughter and SIL are all double vaccinated and test regularly before visiting us, and they wear masks in all crowded places. My son works from his home and daughter has had to start going into her office a couple of days a week, she has made it very clear to her boss that she is not prepared to work with a couple of anti vaxxers and he arranges they work on different days, also in staff meetings they take turns to zoom in. Her sister in law’s boyfriend refused to be vaccinated so told him he wouldn’t be able to visit over Christmas, her sister in law quickly persuaded him to get vaccinated. Other people are entitled to different opinions and me and my family are entitled to avoid these people as much as possible.
Tiggersuki- i fully agree.
Blacksheep- you really don't know that for sure though,do you? I'm sure some who are vaccinated have, or indeed, could, still die from covid.Especially with the new variant out now.?
You me mentioned working at vax centres. Are people medically exempt from wearing a mask recommended to work in that area. Your colleague should be able to provide evidence to your employer about her exemption, not just her say so. Employers have a duty of care surely. I'd express your concerns to your employer there are very few conditions that exclude wearing a mask.
Bring your concerns to your manager and ask what the company policy is in this situation. Also ask how the company confirms mask exemption, it shouldn't just be because you don't want to do it. I absolutely believe that as an adult it's your right to refuse a vaccine, but with every choice we make there are consequences. People forget, that their individual rights do not exist in a vacuum, rights and responsibility for your choices go hand in glove.
Triple vaxed or not, if the new omricon variant can evade vacienes it is an issue ? think I'd speak to your manager about it sooner than later in case there's something they can do to help
I very much doubt she is medically exempt and those lanyards can be bought online, genuine medically exempt from mask wearing people are unlikely to also be unvaccinated ridiculous antivaxxers and I do believe that if someone is unvaccinated through choice then you should be able to refuse to work with them without penalty , they are the problem not you
Could it be that your symptoms (runny nose?) could be you're allergic in some way to the type of masks you are using? This does not seem atypical of asthma symptoms, it also seems like a partial panic attack if the gasping for breath soon alleviates when your sat being calm.
'I think it would not bother triple vaxxed me'.
You need to rethink.
You can still catch it, you can still pass it on.
No matter how many times you've neen 'vaxxed'.
Send the lady in question to me, I'll soon convince her that covid is real
This has to be put to management. In the company I work, everyone present has to wear a mask and socially distance. If certain staff cam' t do that, for whatever reason, they have to work from home. Those doing so are people with " known" medical issues
and able to work autonomously. If she is blatantly disobeying the rules, it is causing anxiety, ill feeling, sense of unfairness to others , one of whom is you. It is the manager' s job to address this problem and you shouldn' t have to worry yourself about it.
Your manager doesn't seem too bothered having an unvaccinated person working there. Your opening post is very 'wordy'. Are you giving this person a chance to fully explain her reasons for not having the V, or are you cutting her off all the time. She may have reasonable doubts as to its efficacy. Perhaps you could suggest to the manager that you both sit apart. You say you've had all your vaccinations. Are you referring just to the covid ones or all your life's vaccinations from childhood to adulthood. If so, can I ask, how often you have to have boosters for all the non-covid vaccines? If the answer is 'No' because they gave you immunity, then perhaps you should start to question the efficacy of a vaccine that requires a booster every few months. After all that, if you are comfortable wearing a mask all day (I know I wouldn't be as I end up with chest pains within half an hour) then carry on doing so. As another commenter said, you are a bigger risk to an un-vaxxed person than they are to a triple (or soon to be quadruple) vaxxed person. Please, we all need to be kind and considerate. If the un-vaxxed person does research, please ask her to show you what she's found out.
I do not believe for one minute that masks significantly stop the spread of a virus that, like it or not, is now endemic in the population and will continue to be so like colds and ‘flu. There are many studies, sadly not broadcast about widely by the government or media, which confirm this. They are reputable studies by reputable scientists. However despite being truly medically exempt, I would myself wear a mask out of consideration in this situation, provided my own health did not suffer. If this lady is not medically exempt, she should come clean to her boss and take the consequences. I don’t think she’ll do this-but it would show the courage of her convictions! The OP has a right to her beliefs too after all. I might not agree with someone’s stance but I would fight for their right to have it! It’s what true freedom is about after all, masks or no masks.
grannygranby
Totally you are in your rights to refuse to work with her. Vaccinations only work if everyone takes a shot. It is supremely selfish and idiotic of her not to. And you definitely should protect yourself from the risk she poses.
I’m afraid the OP has no rights on this issue as the law stands a the moment. Unless of course we are talking about care homes. But that problem has been clarified.
So, to put it short, a lot of the anti vaxxers are just afraid of needles??it really beggars belief.How many needles do they think they may have to have if they go in hospital with covid?(!) My son detests needles, but was first to say he wanted a jab as soon as the vaccine was invented.Other day i had my booster, the young lady said it was done and i had felt NOTHING, nothing at all,shes good, i told her i wish it was her who did my regular INR tests ?(for warfarin)
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