Why are some men so anti doing as they are bid

I think women are more in tune with their health because perhaps they are more aware of how their equilibrium varies in the course of the lunar cycle, at least in the fertile years and beyond for some of us. Having children or working in caring professions also makes us more health conscious and able to see the bigger picture, particularly the importance of various vaccinations.

I think there are as many women as men feeling like this, it is just women do it quietly to save themselves the aggro and because they cannot be bothered to waste time arguing with people.

I was in London yesterday and walking past the pubs they were stuffed to the gills with people partying - as many women as men -.

You’re probably right Monica and I didn’t mean this to be an anti men slinging match I m just interested psychologically why they are so loud, so anti, so ferment with their ‘they can’t control us’ is it an inbuilt ego thing is it a power thing, is it a contrary thing.
Most men follow rules they wear seatbelts and crash helmets for the most part pay their taxes they follow rules to keep jobs play sport etc etc but they are so terrified of being coerced, going down the route of China as one man quoted that they would rather put themselves their family and others health at risk, than comply
They were coming in the ‘phone in’ one after the other all belligerent and anti

Ashcombe

I think women are more in tune with their health because perhaps they are more aware of how their equilibrium varies in the course of the lunar cycle, at least in the fertile years and beyond for some of us. Having children or working in caring professions also makes us more health conscious and able to see the bigger picture, particularly the importance of various vaccinations.

It's usually mum who takes the kids to the doctor's for health checks, juvenile jabs etc.

My DH and I had recent conversations with people we see walking their dogs. All three male in their sixties objecting to being told to get vaccinated. Each person said it’s social control and they will not be told what to do. I was surprised as they are grandads and would expect them to consider their families health but their ego comes first.

BlueBelle was it Ian Payne on LBC? It was a cracker wasn’t it?

The icing on the cake was the ridiculously stubborn and stupid bloke at the end of the phone in.

He had happily had the first two vaccinations; but is now point blank refusing the third jab, because he ‘is sick of being told what to do’ !!!

I have just had a quick look and in the over 40s there appears to be no significant difference in take up between men and women, but in the under 40s women are more likely to be vaccinated. It is interesting particularly as there was some vaccine hesitancy in pregnant women. My guess is its linked to concepts of masculinity.

Social control! The virus itself is pretty darned good at social control!!

Some people are fighting the wrong enemy.

I understand that more men than women are dying of/with COVID. I do wish however we were given more information with these statistics as we were at the start of the pandemic. Such as age, underlying health issues, sex, ethnicity. We can then be more aware of what our own risks are. Having said that I have had both jabs and booster (and flu jab) without this information.

Years ago I had a boyfriend who said he'd got sick of being told what to do at home so he left ..... and joined the Army! I never could work that one out.

Pathological Demand Avoidance, otherwise known as severe bloody-mindedness. There are fairly sympathetic articles online (from psychologists, I believe) about this condition.

To be honest it was my DH who was keen on having the jabs and booster. I was rather hesitant as always when it comes to possible side effects/reactions, but I thought if he’s keen then it must be really necessary!

Yes fanny it was, and I was just so surprised that every man that rang in was seemingly of the same ilk, even the ones that said something reasonable at the beginning, and you thought ahh now he’s a sensible bloke, and then off they went down the same route and it was all about ‘I won’t be told’
Of course not every manBluesky that wasn’t my point at all

I had to coerce Mr A initially by telling him if I got ill it may well kill me or leave me in a very unhealthy state and once he thought about that he agreed quite quickly to the vaccines and masks. Since then he has worn his mask more than me (I wait to go near the shop to put mine on, his is on as he leaves the car) and bugged me for days about the booster even though I hadn't received my invitation.

Dh has been very sensible about vaccines etc. In fact we call him the Covid police. Though he used to be a medic.

Some men, lots of women, especially online are strident anti vaccine, and conspiracy theorists. Six of one half a dozen of another. www.livescience.com/61305-most-online-anti-vaxxers-are-women.html

When I tell ask my husband to do something, he often says don’t try to control me! I’m not trying to control him, I’m asking him to do something, like put his tools away because they’ve been in the kitchen for the last two weeks. He’s hates being told asked to do something, but he’d never, ever join a demonstration and act in an anti social way as many men do.

I don’t think it’s just men, the anti vac rallies seem to show plenty of women too...
I thought this thread was going to be about DH’s refusing to hoover round.?

My brother had the first two and has refused the booster. "They'll want us to have one every year before you know it, just like the flu jab!"

What can you say.....

lemongrove

I don’t think it’s just men, the anti vac rallies seem to show plenty of women too...
I thought this thread was going to be about DH’s refusing to hoover round.?

Or tidy up their stuff!

DH is rather resistant to doing as he is bid (having spent much of his his career bidding others!) but he has had his vaccinations and the booster too.
He knows it's the sensible thing to do.

I was more hesitant about the booster (quietly, without taking to the streets protesting).

Years ago I had a boyfriend who said he'd got sick of being told what to do at home so he left ..... and joined the Army! I never could work that one out.


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I should have checked before posting

Haha, I like your description Calistemon, rather resistant to doing as he is bid and it’s an excellent description of my dear husband too. On the other hand he’s very happy to lots of things, including helping others, when he’s not been bid to do it. In other words, contrary!

Maybe Nicki Minaj didn’t help much by tweeting about vaccines and the effect it had on one man.

Baggs

Pathological Demand Avoidance, otherwise known as severe bloody-mindedness. There are fairly sympathetic articles online (from psychologists, I believe) about this condition.

That is a diagnosable condition, on the Autism spectrum. It has nothing to do with bloody-mindedness. A relative of mine has it and it makes life very difficult for him (and his parents). Fortunately, when people are open-minded about it and don't write him off as 'bloody-minded' he is able to try to use the strategies he's learning in an attempt to deal with it. He's 7.