4th vaccine

Daftbag1

I'm becoming increasingly sceptical about these vaccines and boosters. My daughter and her family are boostered etc but still caught Covid. No coughs so I assume they've had the Omnicron variety.

How many jabs will we need? One for every new variety? And at what frequency?

The vaccines do not claim to stop you contracting Covid, but to lessen the effect.
Your daughter and family may have needed medical intervention, without them.

It's not free. You pay for it in myriad unseen ways.

I'm becoming increasingly sceptical about these vaccines and boosters. My daughter and her family are boostered etc but still caught Covid. No coughs so I assume they've had the Omnicron variety.

How many jabs will we need? One for every new variety? And at what frequency?

sodapop

I'm uncertain about this, four vaccinations in less than a year is a step too far for me.

A typical UK newborn sustains 23 vaccinations in the first 4 months of life. Protected and protecting, from the cradle. Strong little mites

Racingsparrow

I live in Wales and I can assure you that we are not happy with being out of step with England. “Dippy” Drakeford is just playing politics. With a border with England as long as it is, and with many crossing the border in both directions for work or shopping it makes no sense. If you read the press reports, the Scottish are not happy with their restrictions either. The free prescriptions and University tuition are not being paid for from tax receipts in Scotland. You are paying for them through your taxes.

Your statement is based on a false premise. Scotland and Wales have devolved governments, each with their own parliament and budget. The Scottish and Welsh Parliaments make the decisions on how to spend those budgets.

Health is devolved, so the parliaments have decided that it is in the best interests of the citizens to provide free prescriptions.

No-one in England pays for those prescriptions. You need to find out how the Barnett formula operates, and what it is designed to do,

I live in Wales and I can assure you that we are not happy with being out of step with England. “Dippy” Drakeford is just playing politics. With a border with England as long as it is, and with many crossing the border in both directions for work or shopping it makes no sense. If you read the press reports, the Scottish are not happy with their restrictions either. The free prescriptions and University tuition are not being paid for from tax receipts in Scotland. You are paying for them through your taxes.

Meant to add, I have also received a PCR test kit and the info on how to access antibiotics should I test positive. I was due to have an operation to remove a tumour on my adrenal gland on 6th Aug but it was cancelled at the last minute. Still waiting for a new date so want to keep as safe as possible so am grateful for the vaccine booster etc.

I had my fourth vaccination yesterday (Pfizer). My arm aches.

I'm taking part in a Covid study for the immunocompromised. After the first two vaccinations (AZ) I produced no antibodies. Recently I found out that after the 3rd vaccination (Pfizer), I actually produced some antibodies. That is such a surprise - I'm only too happy to have the 4th (booster).

sodapop

I'm uncertain about this, four vaccinations in less than a year is a step too far for me.

I feel quite the opposite, I mean, hey, what's one more? Which reminds me, I must book in for the shingles one..

I am sure at the moment the 4th vaccine is only for the CEV, my husband who has blood cancer will have his next week. But as he will be on chemotherapy for the next 2 years I am not sure how useful it will be but on advise of consultant will have it. He has a PCR test kit at home and will get antibody/antiviral treatment to take at home if he tests positive.

grannysyb

I has a phone call two weeks ago offering me a fourth jab, I have an autoimmune skin condition. I accepted straight away, why wouldn't you? It was Pfizer, like the first three, no adverse reaction.

Exactly! As someone who has had severe reactions to the vaccine, it's still a no brainer for me, it's the lesser of two evils.
If I catch Covid, I will be lucky to survive. I suspect that some posters do not fully understand the implications for some of us.

I has a phone call two weeks ago offering me a fourth jab, I have an autoimmune skin condition. I accepted straight away, why wouldn't you? It was Pfizer, like the first three, no adverse reaction.

I would seriously give some thought whether to have the 4th jab.

I had the booster and then suffered with vision problems, doctors said it was a side effect. The vision problems triggered vertigo which I’ve never had before. 3 months later I’m still unable to drive or work.

Still have vertigo and blurred vision.

Being self employed certainly doesn’t help with the stress.

So I will definitely hold off on rushing to have the 4th jab. x

I have had two and my booster, first 2 was the AZ. I have not heard much lately on the AZ being given anymore
Seems to be Pfizer or Moderna.

Is AZ still being given?

lizzypopbottle

Well, Maggiemaybe if 76% of side effects were imagined, then 24% were real.

Absolutely. Which is why I said we do have to be careful not to play down side-effects from the vaccine that some have (I'm sure you're not doing so, btw, I'm talking generally).

The fourth dose is recommended for those who are immunocompromised, because research has shown that the vaccines have only been 40% effective for some of those patients.

Of course if your doc suggests 4th dose, you should probably get it, but it seems to be largely ineffective against Omicron, according to an Israeli study:
healthpolicy-watch.news/israel-fourth-covid-booster-ineffective/

Israel was the first country to give 3rd dose and now giving 4th to vulnerable, but still has very high rates of infection

My reactions to AZ were so severe that they had to be reported to the Yellow Card site and on both occasions, required intervention by my GP.
Definitely not imagined.
I have a history of drug allergies, so not a surprise

Well, Maggiemaybe if 76% of side effects were imagined, then 24% were real.

I'm on the CEV list and have had 2 x AZ jabs and a Pfizer Booster, all of them without any side effects whatsoever. If I'm offered a fourth vaccination (booster?) I'll have it. I think the boosters will/should probably become an annual thing, preferably for everyone, if we want to continue to protect those more vulnerable in the community.

It will be all in the mind for some, lizzypopbottle, but we do have to be careful not to play down side-effects from the vaccine that some have (I'm sure you're not doing so, btw, I'm talking generally).

I've had the 'flu vaccine for at least 15 years, and had side-effects (upset stomach, headache) just the once, when the same applied to my DH on the same occasion. Likewise with the Covid vaccine, nothing at all for the first two (AZ), but the Pfizer booster just wiped me out for a full day. I certainly wasn't expecting it to.

It wouldn't put me off having another booster if I'm offered one further down the line, though.

I searched on line for vaccination side effects. A recent Guardian article (Tues 18th Jan 2022) describes the 'nocebo effect', a negative version of the placebo effect. During Covid vaccine clinical trials, where volunteers had either the vaccine or a placebo, scientists discovered that about 76% of all common adverse reactions after the first dose could be attributed to the nocebo effect, suggesting that a substantial proportion of milder side effects such as headache, short-term fatigue and arm pain are not produced by the constituents of the vaccine but by other factors including anxiety, expectation and coincidental ailments. In other words, a significant number of participants of the trial who were given the placebo, experienced these side effects because the expected to. It's all in the mind!

That's good to hear Kate. I have worked it out, my twelve weeks are up, so I'm now eligible. Once my GP phones me today (he wants to speak to me, but no time given), I will phone the helpline and book it.

Yes, I have compromised immunity and have had the 4th vaccine/Booster - no side effects at all. However, many in my position then discover through testing that they have no antibodies at all, and total shielding is being recommended by many Consultants.

I am in Scotland and immunocompromised, I had my 4th injection nearly 4 weeks ago. I got a letter through with an appointment. I also had a letter saying I would have access to antivirals and if I need a PCR test will get one as a priority. Very happy with the service I have received all the way through.