Covid and Brain Shrinkage?

Yeah yeah I've heard of Amen. I also know the brain is still quite the mystery; a lot going on that cannot be seen in scans. But some things can be seen and a lot of it is either pretty solid as in physical brain injury, inflammation or iffy when it comes to the chemical functions.

Even the scientists in that Covid brain shrinkage study admitted that it is not a reason to conclude that brain function will be impaired or there is any permanent damages. They stated the brain is very elastic and changes all the time.

The data issue isn't too hard to believe. My neighbor's family went to get the free tests when they first were offered, did their paperwork and waited in line. After awhile it just was too long , so they went home. Two weeks later, they all got notices that they all tested positive, even though they never actually took the test.

And people testing getting false positives. It's easy to see how more cases can be reported than actual. My friend's sister and the others in the nursing home who ended up with Covid put on their medical records even though they didn't get it but were exposed by a nurse working there. Those were the early days of Covid, but still...

In the USA, 2020, excess deaths (officially recorded by CDC as 350,000) from Covid. Well also, almost 2 million more people became US citizens that year.

Two million more people and we had more deaths? What are the odds.

Once again, this is a virus that is 97-98 percent survivable...that's scientific fact. look it up.

But no, let's all just freak out about all these possible Covid injuries; keep masking alone in the car, keep getting your 3rd, 4th, etc. booster and hope your immune system doesn't collapse in 5 or 10 years. Lord.

Lord indeed. Good Lord.

My parting comment...

If the virus is 97% survivable and everyone in the USA gets it, that's 9 million dead people.

Not only can I google, I can do sums.

Goodbye Eugenia.

And it's a goodbye eugenia from me too...got better things to be arsed about than opinionated know nowts.

Sorry Daisymae that was for eugenia only. I appreciate your honest, inquiring thread

Volver, Oh I see. We are going to do the what if's based on false conditions, on which you base your argument. Clearly, not everyone gets it or even gets sick from it; thus there are no 9 million dead in the US from it now, are there? But there are over 78 million survivors, if the case count and death are correct, but who knows.

You can't just make up a number then equate it with a realistic outcome. The number has to exist....you would have to have everyone get infected before you can do any "summing" or calculation, to get a real life equation and and answer.

You can't justify the draconian measures imposed on people's lives based on "what if's". That's not only not scientific, but fact. What if everyone got in a car crash? The odds of dying in a car would be enormous, wouldn't they? Gosh, don't drive anymore!! That's basically your argument.

Sorry, but there is just no justification for the iron fist of government forcing people into do it their way or you have no human rights anymore.

I can google, sum and I think more importantly, I can logic.

Guess I'll say goodbye too. Enjoy your jabs; when you are constantly getting boosted just to go buy groceries, think of me still with not one shot and super healthy.

I most likely already got Covid; have had two bouts of fever/cough/fatigue/chills in this last two years; I sure hope so because that means antibodies for me without jab risks or side effects. I'm 65 and still going strong. Natural immunity is awesome.

And Congrats, this is the one and only forum I've ever been on that did not have one logical critical thinker as to this whole thing. I have definitely been in other forums where there have been more views and opinions than just the one fearful, indocrinated view of the fear mongering media.

So, yeah....goodbye. Enjoy.

Bye Eugenia.

Whatever you're on, take care of yourself!

PS. Is logic a verb?

Isn't it strange that someone who has decided to evangelise their unfounded personal views doesn't check they know who their audience is? Did she know we weren't American do you think? She certainly didn't understand the cultural differences.

I had Delta last year, was on a ventilator for 2 weeks, then had a stroke at the same time. I've had several CT and MRI scans of my brain, but not one doctor has mentioned any brain shrinkage

Well that explains Boris` actions then.

growstuff

Bye Eugenia.

Whatever you're on, take care of yourself!

Indeed!

Well doctors would have to have a before and after scan to compare. I heard one of the people carrying out the study on the radio saying that they hope to repeat scans in 3 years so they can see if the brain repairs itself. She also said that the shrinkage was more noticeable in the over 70s.

I can logic.

Best yet.

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I, too, can logic and can logically conclude that any study, any scientific paper that can possibly add further knowledge as to the causes of the effects of this pernicious virus has to be worth scrutiny. If brain shrinkage is the cause of brain changes and the ensuing odd, abnormal behavioural/emotional differences, almost always negative, it is so important that this is to be further researched and validated.
It's been speculated for a while that covid19 is not a respiratory disease, as first thought, but vascular - the British Heart Foundation published an article on this as early 1st July 2020 (apologies, I'm writing this on my rubbish old mobile so I can't link). The virus burrows into the endothelial lining of blood vessels and causes loss of normal blood flow. It doesn't really take a great intellectual leap to posit the idea that the virus may cause vascular impairment - shrinkage? - within the brain. The big challenge, for me, is whether or not these impairments are a temporary, curable condition or, terrifyingly, a marker of the onset of a vascular type of dementia. This thread discussion is too important to be hijacked...I am sure I'm not the only one struggling to make sense of the awful changes covid19 has wreaked and would welcome other experiences, no matter how anecdotal, from other GNrs.

Daisymae

Well doctors would have to have a before and after scan to compare. I heard one of the people carrying out the study on the radio saying that they hope to repeat scans in 3 years so they can see if the brain repairs itself. She also said that the shrinkage was more noticeable in the over 70s.

UK Biobank does have records of brain scans of people before Covid was even thought about.

They have about half a million records covering all sorts of things, going back about 15 (I think) years.

I expect they will continue to track people who have been identified as suffering from brain shrinkage - it's what scientists do. The more is known about this virus, the easier it will be to come up with treatments and to make informed decisions.

Nannee49 That's my understanding too. I don't know enough about the actual processes involved, but it was observed very early on that the most severely affected patients had blood clots. The clots prevent oxygen reaching vital organs, including the lungs, which is why it's not just a respiratory disease and the effects are more varied. There is still a lot we don't understand, but it's definitely more complex than flu or pneumonia.

Nannee49 My daughter's partner ( a scientist) works for UK Biobank and my partner is a biochemist, one of whose specialities is the virus "spikes". The truth is that there is still much to learn because it's a new virus in humans, but billions worldwide is being spent on research. It's not going to disappear and there are still many questions, but we can probably learn to control it. To do that, we need to have facts (not rubbish peddled by conspiracy theorists and their followers).

Well I finally know what’s wrong with me, my brain has shrunk as a result as a result of Covid. No wonder I can’t remember what I went upstairs for when I get there

Seriously though, I think this research is essential in order to discover the various ways Covid can affect us.

Many thanks for the info growstuff. It's good to know it's being researched so extensively, as you say it's facts not (conspiracy) theories we need.
And thanks for the laugh maddyone - at least my SOH seems to have swerved the dreaded leurgy

my Brian has definitely shrunk

Just as a matter of interest, I have put a link to the first of the Phizer Covid vaccination research papers that was released. Go to the last few pages for side effects reported!

phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf