Covid going forward

Casdon

I won’t say you made me laugh Aprilrose because you didn’t. I found what you said profoundly depressing. You carry on burying your head in the sand, just keep away from vulnerable people please.

aprilrose, I despair. I suppose I should feel sorry for you and your lack of knowledge.

I will ask again, where is your evidence? You seem to know a disproportionate number of people, who have suffered as a result of vaccination.

As someone, who is immunosuppressed and have done my research, I have had EIGHT VACCINATIONS and intend to have as many as I am offered, for they have kept me out of hospital!
I prefer to take the advice of my clinicians, rather than someone, who appears to be very ill/uniformed.

uninformed!

Aprilrose is perfectly entitled to make her own choices it really doesn't affect anyone else. Remember us that are vacinnated can still pass the virus on just as easily

What lack of knowledge? All I said was that everyone I know who has been vaccinated has had covid several times and each time they have been really ill.

I had covid once, back in 2019 ( well just before and after Christmas ). I have not been vaccinated. I havent been ill at all for three years. Thats all I need to know.

As for staying away from the vulnerabkle - how are you vulnerable for covid if you have had your vaccine? Your vaccine should protect you. Thats it really.

You can call me uninformed . You can make nasty remarks ( I am used to that as I lived through three years of it. I have said, its your choice but why question me?

Why is your vaccine not working? How many boosters and still you get ill? You think I am uninformed?

China was economical with the truth from August 2019 onwards.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/9/coronavirus-outbreak-in-wuhan-may-have-started-in-august-study

In October China held The World Military Games. Many athletes were ill.
I had it in December 2019. I caught it from a friend who was admitted to hospital.

Let’s not forget the thousands of Chinese workers travelling backwards and forwards to Italy when China knew they had the virus 😡

The vaccine helps to lessen the effects, not prevent it. Surely everyone knows that?

Protection from the vaccine wanes after a period of time, that is why one vaccination is not sufficient.

I have a compromised immune system, therefore cannot fight infection, even a common cold makes me very unwell, so I need all the protection available.

I really think you don't have a clue, aprilrose, my clinicians do. That's the difference. Are you saying they are all liars and charlatans?

You are entitled to your opinion, but if you do become seriously ill with Covid, will you expect to be treated in ICU? After all, it is just a cold. 😉

I have said this umpteen times. My cardiologist was seconded to ICU and told me he had never seen such damage to hearts in his whole career, as he had witnessed in the unvaccinated, who sadly died in ICU.

fancythat

*growstuff The link from Sago on the first page.

*Chulachli Yes. Covid is still affecting people in different ways. And so do the vaccinations for it.

A complicated and quite unpredictable subject, it seems.
Sometimes you wonder if it is a bit of a postcode lottery type thing, but very much appears not to be.

Musicgirl You could be right about Sept 2019. It was certainly in Ch ina in Dec 2019.

Thank you. I'll read it.

aprilrose

What lack of knowledge? All I said was that everyone I know who has been vaccinated has had covid several times and each time they have been really ill.

I had covid once, back in 2019 ( well just before and after Christmas ). I have not been vaccinated. I havent been ill at all for three years. Thats all I need to know.

As for staying away from the vulnerabkle - how are you vulnerable for covid if you have had your vaccine? Your vaccine should protect you. Thats it really.

You can call me uninformed . You can make nasty remarks ( I am used to that as I lived through three years of it. I have said, its your choice but why question me?

Why is your vaccine not working? How many boosters and still you get ill? You think I am uninformed?

You’ve given yourself away already aprilrose. I can’t be bothered to discuss with you when you don’t understand even the basics of the vaccination mechanics.

aprilrose Coronavirus is a cold virus.

Is it?

Sago

fancythat

Do you mean lowered immunity to covid, or lowered immunity in general?
I will look up that article, Never read about that before.

There are a number of articles, here’s a link to one;

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwja8ZDliYKDAxUDQUEAHSsGDHwQFnoECA4QAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC9167431%2F%23%3A~%3Atext%3DRecently%252C%2520The%2520Lancet%2520published%2520a%2Cthat%2520among%2520the%2520unvaccinated%2520individuals.&usg=AOvVaw15_4McOXHeBDN9Vpy1eX99&opi=89978449

I read the article, which I noticed hadn't been peer-reviewed, so I found the original Lancet article:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8816388/

"We found progressively waning vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection of any severity across all subgroups, but the rate of waning differed according to vaccine type. With respect to severe COVID-19, vaccine effectiveness seemed to be better maintained, although some waning became evident after 4 months. The results strengthen the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third vaccine dose as a booster."

It appears that the author in the link Sago posted has misrepresented what was written in the Lancet.

I've had 3 or 4 vaccinations but none in the last couple of years. I was always of the 'herd immunity' school of thought and discarded my mask as soon as was legal. In 2021 DH was in hospital so I had to self test and all were negative. I'm in pretty good health but last week became very unwell - Covid never crossed my mind - but on Saturday I self tested and it was positive. A huge shock after getting safely through the pandemic. I'm feeling much better but by no means 100%.

Interesting interview with someone on Sky News just now who said we’re not dealing with covid very well. Seemed to echo my feelings about it which is that there’s a big difference between ‘living with it’ and ‘just ignoring it’. He said there should be more vaccination etc. Living with it should mean still vaccinating and protecting people, not just brushing it under the carpet and pretending it isn’t happening. And he referred to the pressure people are under to go into work when they’re ill which means they’re passing it on to vulnerable people.

aprilrose

I havent had the vaccines - none of them. I had covid in 2019 ( right at the beginning) and so decided my immune system didnt need anything else and since I had a cousin who died from an adverse reaction and two other relatives who died with ( not from ) covid following vaccination, I thought I would just wait and see. It didnt feel right to me .

I know a lot of people here wont like that. I havent fogotten those people threatening to lock me up, deny me treatment , refuse to allow me to go places and would have liked me to wear a badge because I was "Filthy unvaccinated" . Nor have I forgotten the lockdown and people jumping out of my way and things like that. It was a mad time. I havent said much since.

I havent had a single cold or flu or covid or anything since 2019. This despite working in a face to face environment with the public. ( I used to reckon on four colds a year before 2019).

My husband didnt take the vaccine. He hasnt had any cold or covid even as far as we both know. This despite being round me when I got it in Nov 2019 ( I got the so called delta).

I dont think the jabs are any good. I have seen lots of people suffer illness following them. I have seen some pass away ( unfortunate I guess). I have seen several others get various degrees of reaction and disability following. I know its not everyone. I know some swear by the vaccines. Fine but lets get some proportion here and maybe take a few steps back from the noise . I know a number of people like me, unvaccinated ( some also like me who had covid early, before the vaccines) and none ( thats zero) have had a cold or covid since 2019/early 2020. We exchange notes sometimes on it because it seems strange how so many keep getting vaccinated and keep getting covid.

Its a choice but I cant see how anyone can say vaccines made their covid less severe. Those I know who are not jabbed up, have had no covid at all. Those who took the vaccines have had covid loads of times and suffered a lot. It doesnt seem to be doing much in my experience.

Just thought I would say. People can think what they like. Its just my experience.

You've seen lots of people suffer illness after the jabs; you've seen some pass away; several others who suffered reactions and disabilities; and you know a number of people who are also unvaccinated.

And you can't see how the vaccine has made Covid less severe for anyone.

You appear to know an awful lot of people.

Those who took the vaccines have had covid loads of times and suffered a lot. It doesnt seem to be doing much in my experience.

... even more people you know, then.

My experiences have been quite the opposite of yours - though I readily admit to not knowing quite so many people as you do.

However, my experiences are irrelevant, because - like yours - they are anecdotal. Anecdote is not Data.

BTW, do you know the medical history, co-morbidities, etc, of all the people you've told us about. The cause of death of all those you know who died - and what is on their death certificates?

Thank you all for your responses. I appreciate them.

I still hold my own views - just as you hold yours.

The main purpose of my post I can now disclose. There has been some feeling amongst the social media groups of people like myself - mostly unvaccinated - I contribute to and read , that the time has come to forgive and forget the past three years and that is an increasing feeling on the part of the vaccinated that maybe it was not so necessary as was thought. Moreover, some of those people I associate with have even mooted the notion that vaccination status and choice is no longer an issue at all and that the vaccinated are no longer pushing their point of view, trying to belittle or humiliate or even offer the kind of comments made here - because basically, they are becoming aware of the side effects and issues and that they no longer want to call names ( like uninformed) on those who made the choice to remain unvaccinated. They also believe, for the most part the vaccinated also want to out the venom of the last three years to one side too.

I wondered. I know this is a big pro jab site. I generally keep my unvaccinated status to myself in real life. You have simply proved my decision to do that right. You also highlight that , well there is no forgiveness or reason on either side yet is there?

Thanks for the debate. Love you all :-)

Clearly, that is not true

aprilrose, thank you for coming back.

You offer no data or scientific evidence to support your views, which is why I used the term ill/uninformed. It was not meant as an insult, just a statement of fact. All you offer is anecdotal evidence, which will not convince me that you are correct.
If you were to offer statistics and scientific evidence, I would be more than happy to read and consider it. Believe me, all through the pandemic, I did a lot of reading!
Furthermore, you have not responded to any of the questions posed to you.

If you do not wish to be vaccinated, that is your choice. However, spare a thought for those of us who are CEV, who have to take all the precautions necessary to stay well.
A DNR notice was put on my file at the beginning of the Pandemic, before vaccines were available, because it was deemed that I would not survive it ( ICU would be pointless) and it would free up beds for people like yourself, because they had a fighting chance of survival.

Until you anti- vaxxers prove that vaccines are useless, I will take as many as are deemed necessary.

Covid found Mr C 5 weeks ago. We’re very grateful he has no lingering symptoms as he had a heart valve repair and artery bypass in the summer. He was however very unwell for three days with fever and delirium. On day two I tested positive. Fortunately my initial symptoms were much less severe, unfortunately I continue to cough and experience bouts of total exhaustion. We have both accepted every vaccine offered and will continue to do so as we believe without vaccination Mr C would at the least have been hospitalised. Do we have personal evidence of this belief? No of course not but we will continue to accept vaccination as it’s offered as we do flu vaccination each year in the hope they keep us as protected from serious illness as it is possible to be. Covid in all its guises is not fun!

What i think is Covid future is a bit up in the air, but they're working on vaccines and research to get a grip on it. It's tricky to say what's next, but the plan is to dial down its impact with better prevention and treatments. Keep up with the updates and stick to the health guidelines – that's the key.

Thank you for your reply.

The current health guidelines seem to encourage its spread, in my opinion.

nanna8

I’ve just had my second dose ( even after 6 vaccinations) Some of my friends have had it 3 or 4 times. It seems to be everywhere now.

Vaccinations do not stop you getting Covid. It helps reduce the symptoms and the risk of being sent to hospital.

I’m immune suppressed. I also have several diseases that mean covid would be bad news for me. I test if I have a cold/similar, so far I haven’t had covid. I’ve had 5 immunisations and will continue to take them when my GP tells me it’s time to boost.

A friend in her 40’s who is fit and active is anti vax. She’s recovering from her 5th bout of covid and cracked ribs due to the cough.

One of my adult children works in close contact with lots of people. She had the first immunisations. She hasn’t had covid despite work exposure, her husband, sister and her husband all had covid 2 years ago. She didn’t get it. Her theory is some of us are more vulnerable to catching it.

I’m doing a plane journey next week, I’ll mask up.

I have had all the planned vaccinations.
I Work through the time Covid was a major issue in the NHS were I work in a clinical area. I was exposed most of the time.
After all that I picked it up a year last December on I believe the Plane home from Scotland.
I tested negative while I was there as we visited my BiL who is unwell.

Only felt flu like for just 24 hrs, tested positive, retested 2 days later Covid test clear.
As we know viruses mutate just like Flu ones, so this needs to be treated the same.
Vaccinations like the flu ones will be updated each season I for one will recommend them, but each to your own.
In my case I have had worse colds, this is something we now need to live with.

had all vaccinations but I tested positive for covid on 9th december.... started with a bad cold then headache and cough with raised temperature wasn't at all well and didn't test negative for 8 days.

Only had it once and I worked all through the lockdowns. Hubby only has one functioning lung abd " touch wood" has not had it though he is fully vaccinated/boosted

Visgir1

I have had all the planned vaccinations.
I Work through the time Covid was a major issue in the NHS were I work in a clinical area. I was exposed most of the time.
After all that I picked it up a year last December on I believe the Plane home from Scotland.
I tested negative while I was there as we visited my BiL who is unwell.

Only felt flu like for just 24 hrs, tested positive, retested 2 days later Covid test clear.
As we know viruses mutate just like Flu ones, so this needs to be treated the same.
Vaccinations like the flu ones will be updated each season I for one will recommend them, but each to your own.
In my case I have had worse colds, this is something we now need to live with.

I’m sorry but I’m getting fed up of people that have had covid mildly saying that we just need to live with it. Would you say the same if you were now suffering from long covid? Or are people that are very ill with covid or are scared of catching it ( eg me) inferior in some way…..?

I think it is so diverse and we don’t know the reasons why ….hopefully we will one day
Someone can have it as a snuffly cold the next door neighbour can die from it equally someone can have it as a light cold one time and a life changing illness the next
No one knows which category they will be in
People like April do what they choose, but to try and convince others or belittle them as ‘following the crowd’ is cruel and very undermining for those who have suffered badly
or who could suffer badly
Five of us had our second dose this year after all having ‘just colds’ the first time (all are fully vaccinated and normally fit and well) Again we all had a light cold type illness but one whilst having it lightly was covered head to toe in dreadful painful red lumpy hives for well over a week and needed strong steroids why? Never had a skin problem before or so far since