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How do you score in a test aimed at 10-11 yr olds?

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merlotgran Sat 16-Apr-16 10:58:38

www.sats2016.co.uk/think-youd-pass-your-sats-in-2016/

I had to giggle at the missing apostrophe in the link though.

daphnedill Sun 17-Apr-16 15:01:06

I agree, but that is beyond the vast majority of primary school pupils. I taught modern languages for 30 years and I know that even secondary school pupils find it difficult to grasp some of the concepts.

Why does anybody learning English need to know the difference between a subordinating and a coordinating conjunction? It matters in German, because the main verb in the subordinate clause is sent to the end, but it really doesn't matter in English. There is no point in teaching the terminology until it's needed.

Primary school should be for embedding the main parts of speech, punctuation and use of capital letters, etc.

Worlass Sun 17-Apr-16 15:02:38

The shame of it.....only 50%! Can't believe it, since I am the one in the family who was always considered a whizz-kid at English.

grandMattie Sun 17-Apr-16 15:21:11

cheat! wink

Grandmama Sun 17-Apr-16 15:50:37

Oh dear, 70% for English. I didn't know what some of the grammatical terms meant, in spite of studying languages at grammar school and now as an OAP at evening class and U3A.

25% for Maths - in 2000 I passed GCSE Maths at evening class with a B - the highest possible score for intermediate Maths!!!

Iam64 Sun 17-Apr-16 15:50:53

I'm genuinely puzzled as to why any of this will benefit the children who are expected to get a good pass level. Especially as the younger teachers in primary school won't have been taught any grammar when they were at school…...

Luckygirl Sun 17-Apr-16 15:51:57

"Primary school should be for embedding the main parts of speech, punctuation and use of capital letters, etc." I do agree Daphne - filling primary age children with totally unnecessary stuff is completely pointless and causes huge problems to the slower pupils, who are left feeling worthless for no good reason.

michel55 Sun 17-Apr-16 15:53:32

I pass easily the maths test , I did not try the English test ..... I am French so I have some excuses smile

claireseptember Sun 17-Apr-16 16:50:53

got G90% but like Cosafina am also an ex EFL teacher. But even as a former teacher I see absolutely no point in most of this. Would like children to be able to spell but above all to enjoy reading and creative writing. I fear that these tests will turn most of them off English for life, oh and incidentally but very importantly, I suspect it will work heavily in favour of the kids from a more middle class background.

marionk Sun 17-Apr-16 17:05:04

Only 40% blush and I went to a grammar school too! I really don't remember being taught anything like this though

pompa Sun 17-Apr-16 17:06:03

Phew, redeemed myself 100% in maths test.

michellehargreaves Sun 17-Apr-16 17:20:13

I got a grade 1 in English grammar O Level in 1964. I'm fairly certain we didn't ever learn the word,"determiner ". I'd have said that some of the words were pronouns, but hey -what do I know?

michellehargreaves Sun 17-Apr-16 17:21:42

I didn't get a grade 1 in maths O Level sad but I'll have a go at the maths test now! ;)

pompa Sun 17-Apr-16 17:22:36

Re the maths test, no way would I have known anything about co-ordinates when I was 11, more like 16.

Nannapat1 Sun 17-Apr-16 18:19:20

80%, also fooled by modern terminology and perhaps rushing through?
There was an era (1970s/1980s) when children were taught no grammar at all. Now we've come round to this which, in my opinion, is over the top and unnecessary.

Skullduggery Sun 17-Apr-16 18:20:10

Oops! I scored 40% in the English but we weren't taught anything about grammar at school (comprehensive in the late seventies) and I still struggle with apostrophes.
I managed 75% in the Maths but didn't understand one of the questions at all.
I'm so glad we moved out of the U.K. and my DS doesn't have to sit the SATS nonsense. The state of the current U.K. education system was one of the reasons we decided to move.

Ana Sun 17-Apr-16 18:32:56

You didn't actually have to emigrate, Skullduggery, they don't do SATs in Scotland or Wales (not sure about NI).

TriciaF Sun 17-Apr-16 18:59:24

I only got 50% - never heard of some of the grammatical terms.
All I can say is, if that's the kind of thing the poor kids are being drilled in, it's a complete waste of time and they would be better off learning something useful/practical. (sour grapes?)

Evenstar Sun 17-Apr-16 19:41:15

All I can say is. Thank goodness we Home Educate and my Year six daughter will not have to take part in such a ridiculous waste of time.

Indinana Sun 17-Apr-16 19:44:33

I have to agree with those of you saying what a waste of time it is to have to learn grammar in such depth. Fine for older students wishing to pursue a languages degree, but to teach it arbitrarily to every student seems ridiculous.

mrshat Sun 17-Apr-16 20:06:05

I need a refresher course! Not happy with my result - 40% blush

muddynails Sun 17-Apr-16 20:25:21

I felt the same utter despair I used to feel in exams after reading those questions ) :

Phoebes Sun 17-Apr-16 22:15:23

I got 80% but I was guessing a lot as I don't understand a lot of the new terminology. What is a determiner???

hazydayz Sun 17-Apr-16 22:46:55

I failed before I even began. I can't find the test!!! sad

Daffonanna Sun 17-Apr-16 22:51:02

I've been following Michael Rosen's take on this on FB . Subjecting schools children and their families to a hoop jumping exercise designed to fail everyone apart from higher level linguists is in my opinion alarmingly divisive . Michael Rosen wittily articulates his despair and mine ! Hopefully someone will have the good sense to change things before my grandchildren have their dexterity with words squeezed into meaningless little packages so that their school can tick the box marked SPAG.

Jalima Sun 17-Apr-16 22:58:20

If we all had some coaching on words like 'determiners' I expect we would all pass with flying colours!

(I had never heard of the word before I did the test.)
So who decided on these new descriptions? And why?

never begin a sentence with and, but, so etc grin