Domestic Violence from kids to parents

It would be a mistake, on anyones part, to define Karen as anything other than a set of offensive behaviors that depict white privilege-

Chewbacca -- I never said I use or condone the use of the term(s). Some people do use them and that's called freedom of speech. As I said, I like the term a##hole. It's all inclusive.

As I said, I like the term a##hole. It's all inclusive.

It certainly is.

Chewbacca

^It isnt Misogynistic- Its white privlege- Karen/Ken- Doesnt matter^

You can dress it up any way you want to but everyone knows that it's a slur. A slur against women. White women of a certain age, in particula. It's quite remarkable that those who have been the most vociferous on this thread; driving home the message that abuse, whether physical, mental, emotional and verbal, is violence. And yet their completely comfortable with using a derogatory term for a whole race and age demographic of women. Hypocrites.

I don't understand your use of those or their meaning they're as in everyone who is being most vocal against abuse.

I have already said I am not OK with it. So who are their?

I can see how, when it is a slur against white women it is a big deal compared to all the many slurs against POC that have existed for generations that haven't been given the same weight behind shutting them down. That just sadly doesn't surprise me.

Misogyny strangely enough affects black women too, it's why the nonsense about Meghan is so strong, racism and misogyny.
Am watching a debate about those who disagree with abortion and the karen meme is all over it. I am as pro choice as its possible to be but if you think the men on there give a toss about wonens reproductive rights you are sadly mistaken. They just get off on calling women names.

Galaxy I can't imagine how awful it must be a victim of mysogyny with racism already a constant weight to carry that not all of us face.

I think the Meghan threads are loaded with misogyny, women know your place kind of thing, but I am white so am seeing it in a certain way, obviously the know your place thing is also deeply racist.

It is a big deal because it's a slur against white women and as such should be shut down, just as a slur specifically aimed at women of colour should be.

Correct Smileless & Galaxy, it's hypocrisy.

Starblaze

I can see how, when it is a slur against white women it is a big deal compared to all the many slurs against POC that have existed for generations that haven't been given the same weight behind shutting them down. That just sadly doesn't surprise me.

I agree with you Starblaze.

The “Karen” memes started as a way for people of colour, particularly black Americans, to satirise the racially charged hostility they often face.

White women using privilege as a weapon is very real and very dangerous.

Karen is a cultural catch word for particular behaviors, considered a pejorative by privileged white women who gladly embraced soccer mom-

In other words, they embrace privilege but not the shitty behaviors associated with it-

What has this got to do with domestic violence from kids to parents?

Smileless, I believe when addressing unacceptable behavior/s pages back thread, someone said they am what they am, which made me think Karen, which made me think a Karen might possibly mistreat their parent/s-

Were you aware when you originally posted this, that it is also a term used on the internet to threaten women with violence rosecarmel?

I wasn't aware of that usage until Galaxy enlightened us. Bearing in mind that this thread is about domestic violence from children to their parents, and the vast majority of parents being abused by their children will in no doubt be women, the inclusion of 'Karen' in this particular discussion is distasteful to say the least.

I asked for evidence of such claims regarding the violence, Smileless- Nobody provided it- So to answer your question, I wasn't aware of it then and am not aware of it now-

I am aware of what the thread is about-

Must have hit a nerve.

From The Washington Post:

The ‘Karen’ memes and jokes aren’t sexist or racist. Let a Karen explain.

By Karen Attiah
APRIL 28, 2020

My name is Karen. I would like to register a complaint.

My name has been everywhere on the Internet in recent weeks, with #Karen trending on Twitter, flooding TikTok and becoming the subject of social media memes. #AndThenKarenSnapped also became a viral trend, describing white women losing their tempers. In the past several years, “Karen” has come to represent a certain archetype of middle-aged white female privilege — or the new n-word, depending on whom you ask. Yup, “Karen” is the new black.

A young Karen likely would have been the class snitch, tattling on her classmates to the teacher to get them in trouble. Middle-aged Karen is the one asking to see your manager. And a Karen at the peak of her powers will call the police on someone for a mild inconvenience.

The most recent Karen fires came from across the Atlantic, fanned by white British women claiming that “Karen” is — wait for it — an oppressive slur. “Does anyone else think the ‘Karen’ slur is woman-hating and based on class prejudice?” tweeted Julie Bindel, a British feminist writer, whose credentials in oppression include being known for espousing anti-trans rhetoric. Nonetheless, the conversation around Bindel’s tweet included white women who did feel Karen memes were offensive. Hadley Freeman wrote in the Guardian that the Karen memes were sexist. Another viral tweet went so far as to call “Karen” the equivalent of the n-word.

As a millennial black Karen, and a child of immigrants, I find the brouhaha hilarious and twisted. “Karen” is not and will never be an oppressive slur. Anyone who disagrees can take it up with my manag … — I mean, with history.

In her piece for the Guardian, Freeman’s basis for labeling the Karen meme sexist was that white men are using the word to make fun of white women. But Freeman seems to believe "Karen” originated with white men, when these notions about the name and white privilege have been circulating in the black community for a long time.

As a kid in South Dallas in the ’90s, I remember one time when I introduced myself to other black kids at the mall. One of them raised an eyebrow and looked puzzled when I told him my name. “You don’t look like a Karen,” he said. “That’s a white lady’s name.” Karen was a popular name for baby girls in the 1950s and 1960s. Thus, many Karens are, in fact, of the boomer generation. My mother, who grew up in Nigeria, named me Karen precisely because she wanted me to blend into white American society and face fewer problems in life than I would have with a foreign or a “black-sounding” name. Being a Karen has probably given me some advantages.

Freeman goes on to lament that there are “memes about Chad and Zach,” but those “have never had the popularity of ones about Becky, Susan or Tammy, let alone Karen.”

It’s not as though men’s names haven’t been used to depict problematic behavior. There’s “Uncle Tom,” used to describe a black man who is seen to be excessively subservient to white people. A more recent example is “Stan,” which in recent years has come to mean a person who is an admirer of a public figure. But the origins come from Eminem’s song “Stan,” in which a male fan named Stan is so utterly obsessed with Eminem that he kills himself and his pregnant girlfriend. There isn’t a specific name that is used for problematic young white male behavior; the dismissive “OK, bro” is what we’ve got for now.

Freeman largely ignores race in her piece, save for one throwaway line: “People of color should describe their experiences of racism in whatever language works for them.”

Well, many of us decided that Karen, or, say, Becky, works for us. Black American expression, including hip-hop, rap and remix culture, drives global social media culture and shapes language. Take Becky, for example: It was rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot’s 1992 song “Baby Got Back,” in which a white girl, disgusted by the shape of a black woman’s body, talks behind the black woman’s back to her friend Becky. Over the years, and partially thanks to Beyoncé, “Becky” was popularized in the black community to refer to a white girl, especially one with backstabbing tendencies.

But this is not an exclusively American phenomenon. Cultures from around the world use common names to describe archetypal behaviors. Is “Karen” gendered? Yes, it’s a girl’s name. But sexist? Nah.

In America, white women are often believed and protected at all costs, even at the expense of black lives. In 1955, it was a white woman who falsely accused 14-year-old Emmett Till of whistling at her in Mississippi, which led to him being brutally beaten and killed. Fast-forward to recent years and we still learn about black people being arrested or assaulted because a white woman called the police unnecessarily. Becky and Karen memes and jokes should be understood in this context, part of a long tradition to use humor to try to cope with the realities of white privilege and anti-blackness.

Dehumanizing slurs don’t gain their cruel power overnight. They are part and parcel of generations of violence, erasure and discrimination. Calling the Karen meme the new n-word or asserting that it is a sexist slur only trivializes actual violence and discrimination that destroy lives and communities.

And to invent oppression when none is happening to you? Well, as a Karen, I just have to say — that is peak Karen behavior.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/28/karen-memes-jokes-arent-sexist-or-racist-let-karen-explain/?arc404=true

Actually I can give a real life example if you wish, a woman stuck her finger up at a man driving, he followed her home filmed her including her address and car reg. He posted this on the internet with the karen meme, and made t shirts out of it. So stalking and doxing, not at all creepy behaviour.
If you hand an insult to misogynistic angry men they will use it.
But it's easier to be a cool girl than risk being called Karen yourself. Safer I would have thought.

Keep telling yourself that using a woman's name as a slur and as a derogatory term is neither misogynistic nor racist, rosecarmel. The fact that you've gone away and tracked down a random bit of journalistic twaddle to support your theory is indicative that you recognise there's a problem with it. And I'm perfectly comfortable with that.

Galaxy, that isn't an example of a Karen but a disturbed man that didn't understand what a Karen is to begin with-

I wish everyone would put this much passion into defending all women from any kind of harm....

Also children who are utterly defenseless.

Also men.

Actualky just everyone.

Chewbacca, I recognize deflection- And fully expected it-

And you see I have just used a misogynistic remark because I am cross. We all do it. We have to be wary of handing out these words to people who dislike women. Because there are people out there who will use them and I can tell you something they dont give a toss about black men and women either. I dont mean you when I say that rosecarmel as I think you do care. But there are some who will use it to justify all sorts of behaviour towards women and honestly they are not on your side. It's a complex subject.