Sign for grandchildren

MissAdventure

Oh, I wouldn't say 20 odd thousand signatures is going nowhere.

Honestly, it’s not that many.

The petition to revoke Article 50 had over 6 millions signatures. That went nowhere.

Well you're wrong TedAc. If grandparents didn't have the right to apply to court to maintain their safe and established relationship with their grandchildren, there would be no provision within the law to do so.

As for the rest of your post, well I think it says far more about you than anyone you're referring too.

As the saying goes MissA 'Rome wasn't built in a day'.

Smileless2012

Well you're wrong TedAc. If grandparents didn't have the right to apply to court to maintain their safe and established relationship with their grandchildren, there would be no provision within the law to do so.

As for the rest of your post, well I think it says far more about you than anyone you're referring too.

As the saying goes MissA 'Rome wasn't built in a day'.

I think TedAc’s post perfectly sums up the feeling of parents towards this issue.

Do you actually think parents would just happily go along with being told that they are not able to make decisions for their own children?

I certainly wouldn’t, although I’m well past this ever being an issue for me.

So what is the answer then?
Allow parents who want to be vindictive, or who don't want people to shine a light on their activities to just say so, and that's that?
In my neighbours case it got anywhere near going to court, because the parents really didnt have their children's best interests at heart. (And they still don't, unsurprisingly)

I would like to think that describing someone who is in favour of this petition and is an estranged grandparent, as having a despicable mentality is not a perfect summary of "the feeling of parents towards this issue" GG65.

It's perfectly reasonable for those who sign to say why, and for those who don't too but there is no need for such a nasty response.

It doesn't add any value to the discussion and does nothing to support the arguments put forward by those who disagree with this petition.

Maybe for some that is the answer MissA.

MissAdventure

So what is the answer then?
Allow parents who want to be vindictive, or who don't want people to shine a light on their activities to just say so, and that's that?
In my neighbours case it got anywhere near going to court, because the parents really didnt have their children's best interests at heart. (And they still don't, unsurprisingly)

If by “shine a light on their activities” you mean bring child abuse to light, then there are already measures in place for that.

But last time I checked, being vindictive wasn’t a crime MissAdventure. So I’m not sure why anyone thinks a court would be interested if the person being vindictive isn’t engaging in illegal activity.

Of course it's not going to go anywhere. Because even if they did get a court order no court would ever actually enforce is Because of the child's best interests.

I'm on pages against GPR and parents have posted in panic because their estranged parent/ in law got some form of visitation and the advice in the UK is always the same. Ignore it.

Never in the UK has a GPR case been enforced.

I know of GP's who have successfully been awarded contact and are able to see their GC Bibbity.

The Children Act has the welfare of the child central.
The Uk is thankfully less litigious than the uS

Being vindictive isn't a crime, it's true, but why wouldn't a court be interested in a child's best interests?

Smileless2012

I know of GP's who have successfully been awarded contact and are able to see their GC Bibbity.

So why the need for this petition?

Smileless2012

I know of GP's who have successfully been awarded contact and are able to see their GC Bibbity.

Because the parents allow it! They could decide to stop it and nothing will happen.

MissAdventure

Being vindictive isn't a crime, it's true, but why wouldn't a court be interested in a child's best interests?

If there are no concerns for the child in the parent’s care, do you honestly think a court is interested in whether the parent is being vindictive towards a grandparent. Or their employer? Or whoever for that matter.

Do you honestly think courts and child services have nothing better to do with their time?

They are not the morality police!

Yes because the parents are law biding citizens Bibbity and do as instructed by the courts.

Bibbity
Because the parents allow it! They could decide to stop it and nothing will happen

So there have been successful contact orders given then .

And also many many not. The reality is the parents are still in Tortola control.

Some parents once they become educated go on with no or little Legal assistance. Then it becomes a game of how high can they rack up the other sides bills.

Gosh, so what it comes down to then isn't it simply being about parents desperately trying to protect their children from their evil GP's for some it's all a game that some parents play and the children are the pawns. Oh dear.

Yes the parents are in total control which is why there is so much heartache. The trouble is children can be used as weapons to inflict more pain on the grandparents.

I don't know why a topic about grandparents and grandchildren has so many answers and so much discussion but there are no threads discussing the best way to heal the relationship between parents and adult children.

Does anyone else find that ridiculously sad?

I don't suppose a court would give a second thought to the parents, and who they were vindictive to.
Again, though, I would expect the court to disregard that and act in a child's best interests.

Smileless2012

Gosh, so what it comes down to then isn't it simply being about parents desperately trying to protect their children from their evil GP's for some it's all a game that some parents play and the children are the pawns. Oh dear.

How so? The parents have done nothing. They didn't drag anyone into this fight.
They made a decisions for their family and someone outside of that Nuclear family is attacking it.

Being tactical when under attack is smart. Ensure that once it is over it can't happen again.

Not really, violet, because a lot of grandparents ate simply cut off.
Letters returned, apologies not accepted (though money is often ok, strangely)
How would you propose someone would heal that situation?
If any grandparents dare post on here about sending a letter, they are met with cries of "harassment" and "abuse".

Children are not weapons nor are they the smallest pieces on a chess board.

As we say time and time again MissA damned if you do and damned if you don't.