Sign for grandchildren

It’s also a way of investigating abusive grandparents too

My neighbours grandchildren have always wanted to see her, and it is always her that social services bring them to when the next crisis hits (despite them being instrumental in getting her stopped from accessing them)

She is the only non violent, clean living member of a large family, and yet she was threatened off by the police.

Opposing petition that should say

Sorry MissA

This matters to me and others with abusive parents and I can't just let the can of worms spill everywhere

If there is an opposing decision I would not expect people to sign or not sign and stay silent

Children are being used as pawns in some cases and being emotionally abused by either one or two parents in others.
It’s in the Childs interest surely to have an independent party investigate what’s good for the child. There’s a generation of children that are being used in this way. It’s time they were heard.

I agree MissA and sadly withholding access im many cases has nothing to do with protecting children from abuse.

Sign it, don't sign it.
It's that simple.

As I said, it will not be children enforcing these rights.

So call it what you will, it amounts to the same thing.

Grandparents getting easier access to grandchildren.

I think the "my child. My rules" model has been shown to have some very major flaws these last few weeks.
It's no longer good enough or acceptable to withhold access out NON ABUSIVE relatives.

Preventing children from seeing GP's they have formed a loving relationship with is bringing them into the equation isn't it.

And grandmother that should say

I typed parents, honestly. Why it turned into gibberish I don’t know.

Smileless2012

Well as far as we know in this country, abusive GP's aren't an issue but abusive parents and their partners are.

I’m not sure about that Smileless. After all if oar3ntsxare concerned that their children will be abused or even made unhappy by their grandparents, then they will just keep them away.

So potential abuse by grandparents is stopped before it becomes an issue.

If it went through….
Children would need to have the right to say no and have that heeded. A show of reluctance would have to be enough.

Personally I think the parents should have the right to accompany their child on visits to the grandparents. Sending your children off to be with someone who you didn’t trust would be a had thing to do.
Frankly, my Parents in law had no idea of how to keep young children safe.

My grandfather and grandfather were both complicit in sexual abuse.

Abusers span generations. They don't exist in specific age groups.

Although, parenting is far more gentle in general now.

I can't sign it. I can't see how putting a child in a difficult position where they have meetings with someone they know their parents actively dislike would help any child. I think being denied access to your grandchildren must be heartbreaking, but if parents have reached that decision it should stand for the child. If the adults can't communicate and negogiate a solution brnging a child into the equation isn't going to solve anything

Access does change that, though, violetsky.
Keeping grandparents away stops them from seeing signs of abuse, obviously.
Anything which protects the vulnerable is a good move, in that respect.

Yes, it's very sad MissA for the GM and her GC.

That doesn't alter the fact that is a petition for the right of GC to see their GP's VS. An amendment is being called for to the Children Act, and the Children Act is about children, not their parents or GP's.

Read the first comment on the petition.
It states that an 83 year old woman has been stopped from seeing her grandchildren, who have written to her asking why.....

Well as far as we know in this country, abusive GP's aren't an issue but abusive parents and their partners are.

Abusive grandparents would soon be found out surely a good thing in my option. As would abusive parents or parents that are fuelled by vengeance.

This is not a petition started by grandchildren or signed by grandchildren for grandchildren.

This petition is for the rights of GC to see their GP's and has nothing to do with GP's rights.

I also don't like the link to recent tragedies being made. Those children were seeing grandparents. Giving grandparents access usually granted to a parent will not give them any more authority with police or social services and it certainly won't stop abuse if the parents are abusive, in some cases it would worsen it.

The flip side is also giving abusive grandparents access which will take a huge toll on both the children and parents.

Things should be left as they are, grandparents asking leave to go to court and being asked to prove their bond to the child.

Any child welfare concerns should be reported immediately to police or social services, access won't change that.

I agree that children shouldn't have to choose between their parents and GP's Elizabeth, seeing their GP's isn't making a choice, and children would only think it is, if they're made to feel that way.