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I was wondering the same thing Iam and as Chewbacca has posted, "Because it always has to". Just as when trauma is mentioned for the children, it's always in association with GP's successfully getting contact through the courts to see their GC, and it seems to me never in the context of children no longer being allowed to see the GP's they know and love.

What about that trauma?

Once again we are seeing references to "emotionally abusive" GP's; what about the emotional abuse of children by their parents when they are no longer allowed to see their GP's?

Are you seriously suggesting that any changes in the law to make it easier for GP's to go to court to try and get contact with their GC, would result in a GP having any rights over their unborn GC, thus preventing a pregnant woman's choice to have an abortion VS.

That has to be one of the most ridiculous 'arguments' against this or any discussion on this topic that I ever seen.

You would be taking away the rights of parents who do protect their children emotionally because of parents who don't protect their children emotionally.

You have no way of knowing how many parents are protecting compared to how many who are harming which means that this could potentially harm more children than it helps.

Then there are all the reasons just going to court potentially harms children.

How is that possibly right?

I cannot imagine that parents who are willing to harm their children in one way by keeping them from loving family members would not be harming them in other ways too and therefor services that safeguard children should have more priority.

As I mentioned in my other post, domestic violence has got worse with the pandemic and many kids not being kept an eye on like they would have been pre-pandemic.

In the case recently with the little boy, Arthur, who died, his Grandma did notice bruises but was ignored. What happens to kids who don't have Grandparents at all? Can a GP ever save a child? Does anyone listen to GP's even if they are involved? Arthur's Grandma said that the system is broken.

I did sign it, but also understand reasons for not signing. I know not all GP are good and not all people are good to be around, but I signed it from my own perspective. There would need to be individual cases looked at, I think.

Once again we are seeing references to "emotionally abusive" GP's; what about the emotional abuse of children by their parents when they are no longer allowed to see their GP's?

There are many, many reasons why people no longer wish to maintain a relationship with their parents. It is not an easy decision to make, I would imagine. To suggest that those who choose not to facilitate a relationship between their children and the grandparents in the circumstances are emotionally abusing their children is one of the most ludicrous and offensive things I have read on here in a while.

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FFS Smileless, VS has as much right to post and to her opinion as you do yours.

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The thread is asking people to sign a petition. Some posters are explaining why they think it’s a bad idea. It’s not a personal insult to anyone who has been estranged when it isn’t their doing. Don’t be so precious.

VS has as much right to post as anybody.

EGPs and EAC can post in this thread, right?

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Grandparents are not automatically entitled to access to their grandchildren, for a very good reason. It’s very unlikely that’s going to change, regardless of online petitions and sulky forum posts

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Well you obviously didn't read VS's post @ 20.20 then GG.

I don’t care what VS wrote, you have no right whatsoever to accuse individuals who find themselves in the difficult position of having their relationship with their parents breakdown, as emotionally abusing their own children.

Nor is it emotional abuse, Smileless.

It is an incredibly offensive and wildly inappropriate thing to say.

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I’m taking some of these posts with a very large pinch of salt.

I respect the right of different points of view in fact we can learn from some of the serious posters but the others in my opinion are playing games.

Estrangement is not a game.

I didn't mean to upset anyone, but if estrangement is emotionally abusive (by some parties, saying all would be a horrific thing to say in our diverse group) then logically that's what the parents are in general

The post by VS at 20:20 is written for a general audience, not referring to anybody in particular whatsoever.

Now, if any poster feels it is personally calling them/identified/have any investment on those words, it is not VS' fault.

Oh dear Smileless I hope nothing is "unforgiveable", for anyone. Especially not at Christmas.

I think every family is different and it would be sad if some parents were stressed by having to allow people they knew were harmful to be around their kids. In my background there was a relative who I knew was harmful. I managed to move away, but if I had been forced to let my kids see that person, it would have been very stressful for me (and they would have picked up on that)

No offence taken here Iam64

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The post by VS at 20:20 is written for a general audience, not referring to anybody in particular whatsoever.

Now, if any poster feels it is personally calling them/identified/have any investment on those words, it is not VS' fault.

I read it that way too.

All any of us can do is comment based on our own experiences. It makes no sense to react badly to someone else's bitter experience and take it personally when it was not meant that way. To say it's "unforgiveable" is even more sad.

I’ve just read the offending post and really, I don’t understand what VS said that was either offensive or thoughtless.

Am I reading it wrong? I don’t get it.

It could be that my mother estranged me from family members for long periods of time and that has influenced my thinking. I genuinely did not mean to upset anyone and haven't made comment on anyone's sad personal situation

I can't see how forced visits won't backfire on the GPs.

"I want to go to friend's party/out with friend."
"No, sorry, you have to go visit GPs."
"I don't want to! Why do I have to?"
"Because GPs made the court order it, so you have to."

"I want to go to concert/event."
"No, sorry, you have to go visit GPs."

"I just want to relax at home and play with my pet/game."
"No, sorry, you have to go visit GPs."

Sounds like a relationship destroyer to me.

I think it was Smileless who suggested social media contact. My lot are hopeless at returning messages and the younger ones don't have social media. They don't even interact with the GPs they want to interact with much through this. Should this be forced too?

I think this could backfire into GC who resent the obligation it puts on them.