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Brother - no girlfriend or wife

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lcr123 Sat 13-Apr-24 01:09:00

Hello - I am going through some counselling for some child stuff but I am
interested in the fact my brother has never had a girlfriend or wife. He’s 45.

Growing up he had a very fractious relationship with my dad and only really spoke to him to argue. Apart from that they stayed well apart from each other.

My mum also didn’t have a relationship with him and they just blamed him for being a “hard work” child,

It’s only been the past few years he has started to open up with them and relax around them. But he now lives 20 miles away and only sees them every couple of weeks for a couple of hours,

My question is has his upbringing played a part in his no partner issue?

I genuinely believe he couldn’t mention the word “girlfriend” to them.

There are probably a lot of sides to him we don’t know.

Growing up I probably spoke 10-15 words to him in 25 years, in school he ignored me for 5 years.

This was allowed and ignored.

No one spoke in our house. Always an underlying feeling of tension.

Happy to hear peoples thoughts.

Thanks

Grams2five Sat 13-Apr-24 02:53:49

I mean my first thought was how on earth you’d know if he’d ever had a girlfriend ? You spoke five words
To
Him in 25 years and it seems in the two decades or so that have followed have has very little contact - very little interaction. Perhaps he’s had many girlfriends ,
Or
Boyfriends or whatever it is he fancies but like the rest is your life has opted not to include the rest of you in it

welbeck Sat 13-Apr-24 04:11:13

this sounds an odd query

lemsip Sat 13-Apr-24 04:36:40

mind your own business re your brother!!

Carenza123 Sat 13-Apr-24 05:17:24

If you want to know the answer to your question, why don’t you ask him yourself. It seems a strange household where nobody speaks to each other much. Underlying tensions.

NotAGran55 Sat 13-Apr-24 06:37:15

Perhaps he is gay.

NotAGran55 Sat 13-Apr-24 06:42:29

Posted too soon.

Perhaps he is gay and has relationships that you aren’t aware of. Do you see him and speak to him regularly to know his daily activities?
In any event it isn’t any of your business.

Macadia Sat 13-Apr-24 07:06:29

A man with no partner is not a man with an "issue".

BlueBelle Sat 13-Apr-24 07:19:55

Another new poster with a very strange first post
Afraid I m wary sounds too weird

Grandma70s Sat 13-Apr-24 07:25:27

As it stands this does seem strange, but for what it’s worth, my mother was of the opinion that some people were ‘neuter’ (her word) - not gay, not heterosexual, just having no interest in or need for sexual relationships. She had a friend like that, and I know someone, too.

Allsorts Sat 13-Apr-24 07:48:52

Ice, you lived in a very dysfunctional household. Perhaps your brother is happier alone as he saw a very warped view of a family.

Astitchintime Sat 13-Apr-24 07:58:05

BlueBelle

Another new poster with a very strange first post
Afraid I m wary sounds too weird

My thoughts exactly BlueBelle. I suspect that it is yet another research project seeking ideas for a trashy novel or chat mag article.
It is no ones business why the young man has had no 'partners' in his life.

petra Sat 13-Apr-24 08:03:29

BlueBelle

Another new poster with a very strange first post
Afraid I m wary sounds too weird

Couldn’t agree more 😉

Smileless2012 Sat 13-Apr-24 08:57:25

Only spoke 10-25 words to your brother in 25 years hmm.

I would just concentrate on the counselling you're having for your own child stuff.

lcr123 Sat 13-Apr-24 09:17:38

Hello everyone,

Thanks for the comments.

Firstly this isn’t some research project I am part of. Also this may seem like an odd point to make at first. But it’s a point nonetheless that I am struggling with. And searching for answers.

Wrong place. I thought this was a place people spoke about family issues and things they are finding things difficult,

Not a great experience here. I suggest some more compassion and understanding.

With regards why we don’t ask him - this is part of the problem. No one has ever behaved like this around him. Unless you’ve experienced this odd dynamic you’d have no idea.

With regards if he is gay, he had a lot of FHM magazines when we were young. Uk people will know this so I assume not.

This was also an issue. If we rolls entered his room when young, he would go MAD. Possibly like some other kids so maybe not a huge thing. But he had a big thing about his private space. Something which still exists now.

Never once goes anywhere near opening up. Which creates an odd atmosphere. Never tells you where he is going or really shares who he had been with.

I make him sound like a murderer. Ha.

Anyway, not a great welcome here for a new-ish poster.

lcr123 Sat 13-Apr-24 09:20:48

With regards whether we would ever know if he had a girlfriend, I would assume at some point he would get the girl to meet his family. Surely a serious girlfriend would do this. Perhaps I’m from a different world.

He’s 45 for goodness sake. Unless he’s told the girl his family have died or he has cut contact with them.

Again this would make situation even stranger! Odd thing to say,

Coronation Sat 13-Apr-24 09:28:11

I feel sorry for your brother. Its a dysfunctional family, where he was blamed for being hard work. He was a child.

No wonder he desperately needed privacy as that sounds a stressful environment for him. He was safe in his room.

It sounds like this wasn't respected. Why didn't everyone knock before entering?

Coronation Sat 13-Apr-24 09:29:59

Also if he had a bad relationship with his parents, he wasn't close to you then why would he open up?

lcr123 Sat 13-Apr-24 09:32:48

The only time people would not knock is if my mum was cleaning up and he wasn’t in there.

If he knew she’d been in…wow.

Stressful for him yes. But he supports them now. A will…..

Yeah he has no reason to open up to me. I get that.

25Avalon Sat 13-Apr-24 09:40:23

I’m not sure why it matters. Brother is a very private person and he is not going to open up and tell you about his private life. That is private and you should respect that. If you want to know him better I think you need to start with simple things and build up a relationship as friends if that’s possible and he is willing.

pascal30 Sat 13-Apr-24 09:42:09

He may just be very introverted or he could have schizoid PD, if you didn't respect his need for privacy when he was young it's hardly likely he is going to open up to you now. If you really care about him show him some love.. by respecting the way he has chosen or been forced to live and accept he may or may not wish to talk to you..

ElaineI Sat 13-Apr-24 09:50:27

People don't have to have a partner. Perhaps he is a solitary person. Your description of him as a child makes me wonder about ASD. But the childhood you both seem to have had also seems very tense and unusual. It's good you are having counselling for childhood issues. Your brother has maybe developed a protective screen around himself.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 13-Apr-24 09:54:24

Your account of your lack of communication with your brother means that you could not possibly know if he has or has not had partners. But it’s his business and his alone. There are people who are asexual, meaning that they are not attracted to either gender and they live perfectly happily like that.

Smileless2012 Sat 13-Apr-24 10:27:52

A will ..... I may be wrong but it comes across to me a if there's some resentment from you that he's reconnecting with your parents.

He may simply have been honest with any partners he's had in the past and said he had such little contact with his family, that there was no point in him introducing him/her.

If he is gay, FHM magazines could have been in his room so no one would suspect, especially as he knew that his privacy wasn't respected.

Or, he may not have become involved with anyone at all. Not everyone does, preferring a life of solitude.

Callistemon21 Sat 13-Apr-24 10:47:26

Why not ask?

He might be gay.
He might have a woman friend who is married.
He might just prefer being single.

But he now lives 20 miles away and only sees them every couple of weeks for a couple of hours
That sounds fine.

I am sorry you had such a strange upbringing which has caused you issues.
Good luck with the counselling.