Not fully estranged but gaining depth into what it is

BlessedArt

GoPhish

You call your own child a bitch while believing her claim that you're a "bad grandma" holds no water...Interesting.

Your daughter may have issues, but your manic, self-absorbed "parenting" style is the last thing she needs.

I think it’s safe to say we see why the daughter has issues.

Nah, you have no idea what you are actually talking about. I am the one experiencing this betrayal. Nobody gets treated like I have been over what someone else did and comes out with no bitterness, pain, anger and resentment. Normal responses for such treatment. Her issues are her own, caused by other influences, other traumas outside of her immediate family.

But I think the tendency to reject and blame someone, whoever is closest, is pretty common. When that goes to far, you sever relationships and that's what she's done to her own mother. It's a pretty cruel thing to do actually. That's on her.

It's never acceptable to use such language to our own family members, it is an insult, insults are designed to wound. It is I am afraid rather a clear sign of emotional immaturity. There are constructive ways to word things that contain a clear and concise reason for frustration or hurt.

Luminance

It's never acceptable to use such language to our own family members, it is an insult, insults are designed to wound. It is I am afraid rather a clear sign of emotional immaturity. There are constructive ways to word things that contain a clear and concise reason for frustration or hurt.

ONCE Again..I didn't not use this language to my daughter. I used it to describe what she has become since her husband left her, on this forum only. It is actually a mild assessment compared to her cruelty, but I am not sure how to find a stronger word. Please try and keep up.

Continue defending the indefensible by focusing on meaningless semantics. We are talking about your mindset, your attitude, your view towards your daughter. So, keep up!

There are mothers who can handle the same frustrations with infinitely more grace, empathy, wisdom, and maturity.

Self-absorbed parenting style isn't actually real. It seems like a facetous joke pointing out that your style of parenting isn't parenting at all.

It makes very little difference in my opinion. The word was said and meant.

It's very frustrating but often power for the cause here to be responded too about things we haven't actually said Eugenia, and I'm not convinced it's done in innocence but rather to goad a reaction.

Smileless2012 Is that what you genuinely believe? Do you think perhaps that is what you perceive instead? The most genuine people will tell you clearly and concisely where they see an issue without insult not malice. Those people are perhaps to be trusted and listened too because it takes true empathy to tell you the truth and they would be trusted to catch you from a fall too when you are able to hear it.

Yes, it's what I genuinely believe Luminance because as we can see from this thread alone, there are responses that are indeed insulting and malicious.

I don't believe that they come from people who are to be trusted or should be listened too. As for being told the truth, all any of us can offer are our opinions and the best way to show empathy is to believe what we are told and not to twist or misrepresent what is being said here.

You seem absolutely hell-bent on villianizing your daughter. As if you view life so simply that you think it has a clear bad and good guy (and if your daughter is the bad guy in this story, than you are the ...)

You appear to lack the maturity to successfully navigate the complexities of life. Just because she makes mistakes doesn't absolve you of yours.

You still have a lot of growing up to do, but probably don't have enough time to do it.

May you and your daughter find peace, one way or another.

Who are you talking about specifically Smileless2012?

You can't miss them Luminance unless you want too of course.

Smileless2012

Yes, it's what I genuinely believe Luminance because as we can see from this thread alone, there are responses that are indeed insulting and malicious.

I don't believe that they come from people who are to be trusted or should be listened too. As for being told the truth, all any of us can offer are our opinions and the best way to show empathy is to believe what we are told and not to twist or misrepresent what is being said here.

I'm ingenuinely sorry to hear that you have so much trouble trusting your own judgement, that you (almost) solely rely on emotions; whether the message made you feel happy or if it made you feel sad

Truth is truth no matter how harshly expressed.

Smileless2012

You can't miss them Luminance unless you want too of course.

It's troubling when such a comment comes after my own. Perhaps just report anything suspicious and move on with your day in peace.

Namaste

I have absolutely no trouble trusting my own judgement Stoppableforce, it's sometimes the judgement of others that I struggle with.

I report if I feel it's necessary Luminance.

Smileless2012

It's very frustrating but often power for the cause here to be responded too about things we haven't actually said Eugenia, and I'm not convinced it's done in innocence but rather to goad a reaction.

You most likely, are right.

StoppableForce

Continue defending the indefensible by focusing on meaningless semantics. We are talking about your mindset, your attitude, your view towards your daughter. So, keep up!

There are mothers who can handle the same frustrations with infinitely more grace, empathy, wisdom, and maturity.

Self-absorbed parenting style isn't actually real. It seems like a facetous joke pointing out that your style of parenting isn't parenting at all.

You're one of those I see. Well what on earth makes you think I am the only one who views my daughter this way? She has done and said worse to me you can't imagine. People who see it know it. Bugg off now.

StoppableForce

You seem absolutely hell-bent on villianizing your daughter. As if you view life so simply that you think it has a clear bad and good guy (and if your daughter is the bad guy in this story, than you are the ...)

You appear to lack the maturity to successfully navigate the complexities of life. Just because she makes mistakes doesn't absolve you of yours.

You still have a lot of growing up to do, but probably don't have enough time to do it.

May you and your daughter find peace, one way or another.

May we now? Oh my you really wish that. Yeah sure, excellent try at attempting to make yourself look good after drilling judgements into a total stranger. What a compassionate soul you are hahaha. Phoney people, gotta love em...

StoppableForce

Namaste

Oh my god stop. Too funny!!

If that is how you genuinely view your situatuon than you must not of had good enough role models in life.

You yourself called your daughter a bitch. Noone is twisting or misrepresnting your words.

You have displayed unmotherly, immature behavior, and unsuprisingly, you lack the maturity to learn and grow from this.

It's actually crazy that you feel entitled to your daughter's children when you call her a bitch (in your head).

Actual lunacy.

Actually not at all. Children are separate beings from their parents. Anyone who uses children as weapons are abusing both the children and the adult they are already abusung. Entitled? Definately entitled, as are the loving children, to have a relationship if they so choose.

Do you believe children are owned by their parents, with no right to love who they love, be forced not to have a relationship with anyone other than mom approved? Forced to think like mom believe moms lies and slander?
Sort of fascist isn't it?

I repeat.

Actual lunacy.

Idk how to help you.

Try imagining Mr. Rogers in your position. Do you think he would ever insult his child (let alone use a cuss word), no matter how much they may have slighted him.

Try to be more like Mr. Rogers, he's a perfect role model.

Who asked for your help? Anyone at all here? I must have missed it. Boy what a narcissist! Is that on purpose? Why are you babbling about Mr. Rogers? Ok wait I think I have been had by a troll. Boring.