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Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 26-Jun-25 10:42:51

So here we are again, another thread for friends we've already made and for those we are yet to meet.

The last few days have been difficult because for as long as some of us have been contributing to the support threads, offensive posts from these 'new' members still not only disrupt, but can hurt too.

'The truth shall set you free' popped into my head over the weekend because these 'new' members/trolls/previously banned posters are not being truthful to us here on this forum or possibly to themselves either.

In order for the truth to free us we have to be honest because honesty and truthfulness can liberate us from all kinds of emotional baggage like guilt and fear and also the impact of deception on our lives.

Guilt often prevents 'admitting' to estrangement in the first place and many live with the fear of permanent estrangement, that estrangement is inevitable or the fear of what a reconciliation my bring.

The impact that the deception from those who lie about us to others is sometimes unquantifiable as is the impact of lying to themselves.

What we share may not always be pretty, it may not always be easy to share or to read but it does help ourselves, one another and who knows how many who read but never post and that I believe is what really matters.

Yoginimeisje Fri 29-Aug-25 09:38:48

Your right Babs re confronting the drug dealer! Best I stay quiet. It's deemed as ok to smoke pot/skunk, but when it's that strong and smoked every day, it without doubt effects the brain, especially when they smoke it from an early age. I know some smoke a different sort of cannabis for medicinal purposes and that is acceptable.

Yoginimeisje Fri 29-Aug-25 09:44:47

Allsorts well done on looking after your dad, his second wife didn't love him in sickness and in health then. My mum had a stroke and recovered back to normal quite quickly, but later developed vascular dementia.

Rotton day today. I'm off to see 'Tina Turner' tonight with my DD, it was her birthday gift from me, so glad rags on grin.

Allsorts Sat 30-Aug-25 07:15:28

Yogin, what a great birthday gift of DD, enjoy yourselves. My dad recovered and lived 6 years after and was walking each and living his life. The one thing he dreaded was dementia.
The drug dealers are making a fortune and yet they carry on in full sight ruining lives.
Have a good weekend everyone.

Yoginimeisje Sat 30-Aug-25 10:59:21

Thanks Allsorts the show was brilliant!

Have the memorial services of our dear park friend today, so hope weather stays dry & sunny.

Babs03 Sat 30-Aug-25 12:51:46

Yoginimeisje

Thanks Allsorts the show was brilliant!

Have the memorial services of our dear park friend today, so hope weather stays dry & sunny.

Thinking of all loved ones and friends today.
Must have been a lovely person to have so many people paying tribute to him.
RIP
🙏🏾

Allsorts Sat 30-Aug-25 17:31:10

Makes you realise how fragile and great life can be. Not been a bad for friends service. Glad you enjoyed your concert Yogin.
Hope all well and happy. Have you had anyinterest in your house Babs.
Whiff I hope your get together went well.

Yoginimeisje Sun 31-Aug-25 08:49:51

Thanks Babs & Allsorts It was a fantastic send off, so many people turn up, nice food & drinks, even a big cake for the doggies which D loved.

Whiff Sun 31-Aug-25 12:05:15

Yogin glad you had a good time at the show and the memorial was a success. . He touch so many lives .More than you probably realised.

Allsorts we all have a moral code we live by . And you looked after your dad because of love. You are always giving and unfortunately you are not treated with love ,respect or kindness by others . You know how I feel about that . I have found the world is split into takers and givers. Takers take without a thought of what you are going through they are only out for themselves. They have no love or empathy.

Givers give freely because of love even if they know the person's or person doesn't care about them . And unfortunately it's the givers that get get stomped on time and time again but still give..

I hated my mother in law for 40 years even though she denied she had a son or 2 grandchildren after he died I didn't give up on her . She was still family . And the way I was brought up that meant something.

Unfortunately for our estranged children and adult grandchildren family seems a dirty word . Love isn't in their vocabulary but cruelty , cowardice, selfishness, perfection seems to be.

Had a lovely time with my friends yesterday and they loved the food and of course took home the leftovers . The daughter had made a plum and almond cake so brought me some . Will have some later but smells delicious.

Had a stupid accident yesterday. Was dusting and stood up and hit my head on the mantle over the fire . And ended up on the floor by the door . Normally I can sit up and bum shuffle to the chair and with cushions get up. But I couldn't sit up . I knew I had lost strength in my arms since January but this was ridiculous. Had to phone my daughter. She sat me up and got to the chair but even with her help it was a struggle to get up..At least the lump is no longer the size of an egg but third.of the size. Just hope the MRI on the 9th shows something I don't care what then I can deal with it. And get the pre January me back .

Cake and cuppa Monday then sit fit ,and move or lose it Tuesday first class in 5 weeks. She's not going to be happy with me I really like her and the exercises but after using the book. Emailed the company and found out a few things. Had issues with how she does the exercises and now have my answers . The company wanted to know where my class was a who the instructor was but said I will deal with it . Plus I checked with all the religious terminology. Nothing to do with the company as classes are open to anyone . I have no idea why my being an atheist bothers her so much . I don't try and change people's beliefs. I am 67 not going to change my views now as I have held them since I was 14.

Boiler being serviced Thursday there is a nip in the air of a morning and leaves are starting to fall. Already found a taxi company in Harrogate who will help me get in and out of the car . So looking forward to that only 2 weeks tomorrow I go. Brought some packing cubes didn't know about them until my daughter mentioned them for my GN friend I had lunch with fee weeks ago . Will make finding things in my case easier. Already booked the restaurant for our meet up in October .

Anyway hope you all have a good day.

Babs03 Mon 01-Sept-25 08:12:40

Happy first of Autumn 🍂
Here’s to a peaceful and restful season with less worries and more moments of contentment.
Love to all ❤️❤️

Smileless2012 Tue 02-Sept-25 09:31:35

Morning everyone.

The smell of cannabis is unmistakable isn't it Babs; sickly sweet. A couple of doors down from where we lived, the smell was at times overwhelming and we used to say if you stood outside his flat for 5 minutes, you could get high!!!

So pleased that the memorial service went so well Yogin and that you enjoyed 'Tina Turner'. Some of these tribute acts are very good aren't they. A few years ago we saw 'The Bee Gees' and I was very impressed. Not so much so with 'Michael Jackson' but then again I was lucky enough to see him and I'd never bother with a 'David Bowie' tribute.

It's nice to have something to look forward to Whiff. It's our 45th wedding anniversary on Saturday so on Sunday we're going to the White Swan Hotel at Alnwick and staying in a cottage in the grounds so we can take the dogs.

When the Titanic's sister ship 'Olympic' was decommissioned, the first class dining room which was exactly the same as the one on the Titanic, was removed to the White Swan so on Monday and Tuesday evening, that's where we'll be dining; can't wait.

Here's hoping that we'll all have peace, rest and less to worry about Babs, especially for you and Mr. B. flowers x

Yoginimeisje Wed 03-Sept-25 10:20:31

Have a super wedding ann. on Saturday Smiles it sounds great.
Yes, the smell of that 'pot' is awful! but what can you do [?].

Had my 2 GDs to stay Sunday to Monday late afternoon, back for a quick cuppa, then off for my evening yoga class, I slept like a log that night; 11-7am smile.

Waiting for the rain to stop so I can take Joey for walkies. Nice you are taking your doggies on Sat Smiles, that's a problem I have with bringing Joey with me, I need a doggie friend to go away with, my lunch friends are not doggie people, so even if we went on holiday in this country, I wouldn't feel right taking Joey. They want us to book somewhere for next year, next time we meet up for lunch, but; 1. I don't want to go abroad anymore and 2. I don't want to leave little Joey sad. So, equates into not going away anywhere this year sad.

Whiff Wed 03-Sept-25 11:46:40

I think I must have lived a sheltered life as I have no idea what pot smells like . When I was at high school the local grammar sixth form was well known to sell pot . They looked down on us as our school was called a secondary modern school. But many not those that bullied me when on to have good careers and owned their own business. The pot dealers made nothing of themselves and some went to prison . They lived on the same estate as me and they had good parents .

Alnwick. Smiles heard of that but can't remember why give me a few days and I will remember why . Have a wonderful 45th anniversary. It would have been our 44th in May normally I remember and wish my husband happy anniversary but forgot this year but it didn't upset .

Hope you take a picture of the dinning room it must be very luxurious..Hope the food is good..

Did talk to my move it lose it instructor and she changed her way of doing the class . And glad to say everyone came back .

During my sit fit class one of friends was sitting down and tipped backwards and hit her head on the toilet door . Once she was ready our instructor and me sat her up and she leant against my thunder thighs . Her head was bleeding so held 3 pads of clean tissues to stem it while an ambulance was called she's 85 . Her bad leg hurt but nothing broken I was more worried about her head wound and the large lump . Luckily she isn't on blood thinners. Changed the tissues 3 times and by the time the ambulance crew came it had stopped bleeding . 4 of us stayed and I had no intention of leaving until she was ok and helped out instructor put the room back . The ladies son came and picked her up and onto a chair. Paramedics did all the checks then spoke to the hospital they did want her to go in but they said if she didn't want to they would contact her GP . Her son took her home .

Heard from our instructor yesterday she was ok her head was sore but no headache and she had sleep was just resting and would be back next week. She doesn't even know why she tipped backwards as we where just going to do another exercise when she went back. I know I had stupid accidents and do things I have no idea why.

Yogin do you and Joey go on holiday together as there are dog friendly places to rent and bound to be dog friendly hotels . Or don't you like going away by yourself? My best friend who's husband died nearly must be 3 years this year does even go to the gym by herself and goes on holiday but never alone . Which to be honest I don't understand. They both did things apart when he was alive . But she can't seem to do things since he died .

I know I have been widowed a lot longer but I do most things on my own . I did go to York for 3 days year after he died as he made me promise to go. As I spent most of my time in my room crying . Then didn't have another holiday until May last year when I went to Berwick upon Tweed and meet a someone from GN .That's why I went to York in September and had a wonderful time as I didn't see much of it before. Harrogate on 15th for 5 days and one of the cuppa and chat members said to go to Knaresborough to the witches stone . She said they had been trying for a long time for a baby and was told to rub the stone and she would get pregnant which she did . But said she didn't believe it was the stone but glad she rubbed it .

Babs hope Mr B is doing ok and his mobility improving. I know how hard it is for you . It proves our lives can change in a minute. So we must make the best of everyday . That's why I don't live with what if's or if onlies . Life goes by so fast .

Today all 5 of my grandsons are now at school . My daughter sent me a picture of the boys . The youngest looked so grown up in his uniform. She said he went into school like a trooper
but his brother went to go into the wrong room he's in class 3 and headed to class 2 🤦. Only seems 5 minutes since my 2 where at school..

My friends who came on Saturday thier grandson/ nephew is in pre school at nursery now . Said if he starts going ch ch ch at you he's learning word sounds. It's all so different to how my children learnt .

Look after yourselves.

Babs03 Wed 03-Sept-25 13:29:06

Happy anniversary Smiles and Mr S 🥳 hope you had a great time in the Titanic dining room, sounds amazing, and glad the dogs came to celebrate with you.
Yogi you should look at hotels that take dogs, I understand that going solo in a cottage etc., could be worrying because they are sometimes in remote places and there aren’t other people around. My DDs in-laws stay sometimes in a hotel in Crystal Palace that takes dogs, breakfast is included and is really nice, in actual fact is a pub but an upmarket one, and the rates are reasonable.
I think staying somewhere like this would be more reassuring for a solo traveller.
Whiff I also was a bit naive, when I was visiting one of our daughters at uni I smelt something in the halls of residence and remarked that someone was burning incense, she just laughed and said that it was wacky baccy, so I know the smell of it now.
A big day at school for your youngest grandson, one of mine is now in preschoolers at nursery, he looks like such a baby I can’t imagine him at school next year. He will only turn 4 in August and his best friend is 4 in the first week of September so they will be a whole school year apart.
I wish they did a New Year intake like they used to do once upon a time.

Bridie22 Wed 03-Sept-25 19:02:18

Hope you had a lovely day and delicious meal Mr. /Mrs. Smileless 🥂

Whiff Thu 04-Sept-25 06:57:15

Babs in order of age my son's eldest will be 9 in October,then my daughters eldest was 7 January, my son's second son was 7 in August ,my son's youngest 5 in July well that was his due date but no idea when he was born but I wish him happy birthday out loud on his due date and my daughter's youngest will be 5 in November.

So my son boys are 1st, 3rd and 4th in age ..My daughter s boys are 2nd and 5th in age .

But none of them know the other exists thanks to my son and daughter in law. My daughter's boys have 2 cousins they know my son in laws children by his sister and as far as they know they only have one aunt and uncle but know the have great aunt and great uncle and 3 second cousins.

My son's boys don't know they have another nannie ,aunt and uncle and 2 cousins ,great aunt, great uncle and 3 nd cousins . They don't know they have a grandad as my daughter in law estranged her dad when he left her mom for another woman . They only know they have an aunt and uncle who they have never meet as they live in Australia.

We live in a area north of the city while my son and family live think it's south east area of the city. Lived here 6 years still don't know which direction places are.

I know we had or still have a published author on this thread but forgot her name sorry. As you know I cross stitch I subscribed to the world of cross stitching and they asked people to send in completed works. So sent some of months ago . Much to my surprise the published some of mine on their readers. But me being me saw the pictures and thought someone has done the same as me until I noticed my name . So here is my claim to fame 🤣🤣🤣. Cropped it to just show my work . But they said nice things about my work .

Bridie22 Thu 04-Sept-25 07:06:45

Well done Whiff, they are lovely.

Allsorts Thu 04-Sept-25 07:11:38

Lovely work Whiff, well done!

Yoginimeisje Thu 04-Sept-25 09:36:07

Morning all

Raining 'cats & dogs' here!

Sorry to read about your fitness friend hitting her head, hope she is ok. No, I wouldn't go away by myself. Where I live is lovely, by a beautiful park & beach, I remember before I moved here, thinking that if you lived here [where I am now] you wouldn't need to go on holiday. I have a lovely day/week here, not like if I lived in the centre of London and needed to get out of the hussle & bussle.

Yoginimeisje Thu 04-Sept-25 09:44:14

Babs I have been on lots of holidays with Joey and before him Lilly, but always with someone else. Once with a friend down to Dorset, but normally go with my DD&GDs, but they went away 2 extra times with Hubby/daddy, I gave it no thought till they were talking about getting ready to go back to school. Not bothered, always busy and as you know the park & beach here are really lovely, so not missing anything. Hope your DH is doing well and you are progressing with your house sale and purchase. xx

Yoginimeisje Thu 04-Sept-25 09:48:21

You are clever Whiff those pictures are very good x

Whiff Thu 04-Sept-25 11:34:01

Thank you for liking my work. It calms me and only time my hands don't shake .

My friend was ok the day after didn't even have a headache and she told our instructor she will be there next week. Because I only had tissues put together a first aid kit with dressings and plasters which I will put in my exercise bag. I have loads in as I need them for me .

I don't live far from the sea but there is no bus that goes to it and the nearest stop is to far for me to walk send a couple of hours at the beach them walk to the stop. So in 6 years only been 3 times once in a taxi, my daughter took me and my grandson when I first moved here and when my brother and sister in law stayed a few days we went .

There it's a not petition can't think of the word . It was on the Brain Charity Facebook page about what people wanted who are older and or disabled needed to have the beach accessible to them . Showed pictures of various ramps, wheelchair and mobility scooters and other things and had to tick what would make it accessible for you. Plus a section to put down your own needs mine was a bus that stopped at the beach. There are several beaches near me but no buses that go to them .

I remembered where I heard Alnwick before it was on one of house and home threads when I was there as 2019/2020 there were a lot of us moving and someone was moving there. Morpeth is close by if I remember correctly.

This is some my sister in laws needle felting for Christmas fair

Babs03 Thu 04-Sept-25 14:32:03

Your work is so good Whiff, just like stuff I would buy at a craft fair and your SiLs work is amazing too.
Do you give stuff you have made as Xmas pressies? I can’t see why not tbh people love hand made stuff.

Whiff Thu 04-Sept-25 16:30:34

Babs I do some times. Last year my grandson say mommy says you can't make use tree decorations we have enough. But I really like these mice. He had been looking in my magazines. There where 12 so made a banner with 6 mice on each for their bedrooms. With a Christmas charm on them . She couldn't say anything I am waiting to see if either of the boys start looking through my Christmas issues. They know nannie is a push over on somethings but they know when not to over step the mark.

Had boiler serviced so that's all ready for winter.

My sister in law does the fair with a crafty friend but they never charge what they should as people wouldn't buy them . I have 2 pieces of her work both in rings one with 2 owls other with foxes but gave her £40 each . She only charges £20 . You only have look on Etsy and see the prices people charge.

I never sell my work as some take 3-4 months. The kit my best friend brought me will take 5-6 months as the finished picture will be 23" x23" . The Aida is 14 count so that's 14 holes per inch .

Allsorts Fri 05-Sept-25 07:14:16

Just lost along post and lost it, took ages and not one mistake.

Whiff Fri 05-Sept-25 08:04:18

Hate that when it happens Allsorts I blame my shaky hands . But have to admit sometimes I do something no idea what and it disappears 🤦🤣