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TopNan1 Mon 20-Oct-25 17:01:58

My son has blanked me since January and when he eventually did decide to talk to me ( "it was very hard for him") he hit me with a broadside of complaints and reasons why he'd stopped talking to me. Most were totally unjustified and I say that because I am my harshest critic, I don't have a high opinion of myself. I can only own one of his accusations but my attitude at that time was defensive because I was going through a lot of stress and grief.
Anyway he's not exactly estranged but doesn't initiate any contact and if I phone him he doesn't answer and doesn't ring back. I feel like it's the oceans and puddles thing now - why should I jump over an ocean for him when he's not prepared to jump over a puddle for me. His brother and sister naturally don't take sides but they are aching for me because they know how heartbroken I am and how a lot of what he said was unjustified. They are trying to maintain the status quo but sadly I think my son has completely blown our family apart. I'm not sure I even like him anymore!! Just my story and some days I get so depressed about it. We were once very close and I think that's no longer the case.

Delila Mon 27-Oct-25 19:08:04

Sometimes there are hints as to why relations might have broken down, resulting in estrangement.

In this case the OP mentions in her update one or two things that may have inflamed the situation further.

OP, I think you’ve shown your anger and a degree of defiance, and it has hardened your son’s attitude. There’s no need to “grovel”, but on the other hand, try not to stray from keeping things conciliatory if there is any further communication between you.

InRainbows Mon 27-Oct-25 19:28:26

I would suggest that perhaps asking for advice about relationship issues and breakdowns would go better under the "Relationships" topic here. I think so many of us experience times of trouble in all our relationships, especially with our own children because life is never simple. This need would be better reaching those who have been able to navigate those sorts of difficulties. Those who can say what worked well with their own children and what did not.

Asking about these things under the topic of "estrangement" is likely to attract polarised views and does not seem like the right place unless estrangement is where you want the relationship to remain, which of course many do, so please ignore if this does not apply.

Smileless2012 Mon 27-Oct-25 19:44:10

The OP has been estranged by her son InRainbows. Telling a parent not to make contact, blocking them from a family group and blocking their number is what happens when there's estrangement.

Experiencing times of trouble with ones children is a far cry from being estranged by them.

Babs03 Mon 27-Oct-25 19:46:44

Whiff

Brueger you don't know me but I will not be baited by a nasty person like you . As that will give you pleasure ,so happy to disappoint you.

Good call Whiff 🌹

InRainbows Mon 27-Oct-25 19:51:12

Smileless2012

The OP has been estranged by her son InRainbows. Telling a parent not to make contact, blocking them from a family group and blocking their number is what happens when there's estrangement.

Experiencing times of trouble with ones children is a far cry from being estranged by them.

Not at the point of first sharing this here, sadly after sharing this here, it appears but who would give up so quickly? Perhaps a broader spectrum of advice would still help.

Babs03 Mon 27-Oct-25 19:52:38

@Brueger
“There is no fixing emotionally immature adults, especially the older they get.”

And taking what Silverlining said, this could just as easily refer to EACs, many of whom are in their forties or older with families of their own.

Smileless2012 Mon 27-Oct-25 20:08:31

I don't understand what you mean InRainbows. Are you suggesting that it's because TopNan shared here that the situation has deteriorated further?

There has been a broad spectrum of advice because not everyone whose responded is estranged. The OP's son has been blanking her since January so I don't agree that she's given up quickly or has given up at all.

There's no more she can do until her son initiates contact. Accepting that isn't giving up.

Brueger Mon 27-Oct-25 20:10:00

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Babs03 Mon 27-Oct-25 20:13:22

However, that last remark was to prove a point. Fact is there are EACs who have no choice than to estrange from their parents but those who simply don’t get along with their parents either reunite after a stormy falling out period, or learn to tolerate their differences. Then there are those who estrange from parents due to coercion from a spouse/the spouse’s family, poor mental health, substance abuse, or for reasons never fully divulged.
And there are ACs who abuse their parents, little spoken of, but sadly more common than we might think, causing parents to break the cycle by breaking their hearts and walking away.
Nothing is ever straightforward when it comes to estrangement so to pigeon hole all EPs as nasty parents or all EACs as entitled immature brats is never going to work.

Smileless2012 Mon 27-Oct-25 20:20:33

Unfortunately Babs there will always be some who will never acknowledge that it's not only EAC who are victims; EP's can be and are victims too.

It's always good to see that those of us who have been estranged possess the emotional maturity not to judge all EAC because of what our own children have done.

Brueger Mon 27-Oct-25 20:36:48

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InRainbows Mon 27-Oct-25 21:13:49

Smileless2012

I don't understand what you mean InRainbows. Are you suggesting that it's because TopNan shared here that the situation has deteriorated further?

There has been a broad spectrum of advice because not everyone whose responded is estranged. The OP's son has been blanking her since January so I don't agree that she's given up quickly or has given up at all.

There's no more she can do until her son initiates contact. Accepting that isn't giving up.

May I ask, are you here to offer advice and support on how to handle this situation that either helps the relationship in the right direction or helps TopNan through her difficult feelings at this point?

Or are you here to challenge any comment you disagree with without consideration that no one is infallible nor right all the time?

It does appear to be the latter and I do stand by saying that perhaps this was not the best place to bring this problem. The problem has now worsened and only a few people like Stillawip and Allsorts seemed to offer any constructive advice or reflection

Babs03 Mon 27-Oct-25 21:27:28

Smileless2012

Unfortunately Babs there will always be some who will never acknowledge that it's not only EAC who are victims; EP's can be and are victims too.

It's always good to see that those of us who have been estranged possess the emotional maturity not to judge all EAC because of what our own children have done.

Very true.

Whiff Mon 27-Oct-25 21:33:59

As I suspected the person who tried to bait me . I reported as I recognised her style she was a banned poster and GN have banned her again hence her posts deleted.

Thank you GN for acting quickly.

Babs03 Mon 27-Oct-25 22:15:07

Whiff

As I suspected the person who tried to bait me . I reported as I recognised her style she was a banned poster and GN have banned her again hence her posts deleted.

Thank you GN for acting quickly.

Yep thanks GN and thanks Whiff for spotting this.
👍

Smileless2012 Mon 27-Oct-25 22:30:58

Oh well done Whiff, I did wonder hmm.

I'm offering advice and support InRainbows which I would have thought was self evident if you read my responses, and I stand by the advice and support I've given to TopNan.

InRainbows Mon 27-Oct-25 23:34:27

Smileless2012

Oh well done Whiff, I did wonder hmm.

I'm offering advice and support InRainbows which I would have thought was self evident if you read my responses, and I stand by the advice and support I've given to TopNan.

As do I, no need for further discussion.

agnurse Tue 28-Oct-25 03:53:59

Sadly, I think in TopNan's case she made things worse by sending messages to her son after he said he did not want contact. If you're not respecting someone's requests, they are less likely to be open to reconnection.

Smileless2012 Tue 28-Oct-25 08:43:35

That's a good point agnurse but as we've seen here, taking that step back can result in comments about unconditional love and giving up too quickly which can leave the EP feeling that they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Babs03 Tue 28-Oct-25 08:58:45

It is a tightrope and I don’t envy anyone faced with this dilemma. Of course you love your child so much that you want to make things right so automatically you try to speak to them or reach out. And of course you don’t want to get mad and say things you regret but when we feel hurt and rejected that is a really big ask.
The thing is we give advice in a calm and collected manner because we are removed from this storm, but when you are in it you cling to anything you think will get through to your child.
Is impossible really and I do wish the OP calmer days ahead.
🌹🙏🏾

Smileless2012 Tue 28-Oct-25 09:09:34

we give advice in a calm and collected manner because we are removed from this storm, but when you are in it you cling to anything you think will get through to your child spot on Babs.

When we look back we wonder how on earth we got through it and the reason for the estrangement forum, and in particular the support thread, is to try and help anyone in this living nightmare to get through it too.

TopNan flowers.

Starfire57 Sun 09-Nov-25 07:32:43

Daughter in law too.....? That's very telling. For example, if my husband had a complaint about his mom(and he did have a few), that's his issue, not mine. I would not participate in doing anything to hurt her. I mean, it's not my place.

So for a daughter in law to participate, as you included her in the putting you through something, usually tells me, she was part of the problem to start with,...... especially if your relationship with your son was good before.

It boils my blood. I am not completely estranged, but the actions of people in my daughters life, namely ex husband and his sister, have caused a rift that unfortunately created a huge wall between me and my daughter, which looks permanent.

You can be the best parent, have the best relationship to the point that others tell you how lucky you are (it was that good for me once) and still some self important jerks come along and ruin the entire thing, especially if your kid looks up to those people, are excited by their lives or, as in her ex husband, fall in love with them.

I think it boils down to selfishness of others and their jealousy of good relationships that they themselves may not have had.

So they have to tear down other peoples good relationships, They subtly critique, criticize and finally just convince that they are there for them, not the parents.

They work to posess that person's love and devotion, in the parents place. I think sometimes its the same thing that motivates someone to break up a marriage, to be so important that nobody else matters, not a loving wife, great kids, in laws, etc.

And unfortunately, parents cannot compete with upscale friends or lovers.

We lose, everytime.

Allsorts Sun 09-Nov-25 07:58:59

What makes these trolls so bitter? Are they so unhappy with their own lives they want everyone else to feel the same. They are to be pitied.
TopNan, you have two other children you raised and they know what you are like and care. If you can try to keep communication open with a card and a phone call and maybe when he is in a better place he will be back.

Hilltop Sun 09-Nov-25 18:35:29

Starfire57, that makes such sense. I have lost my son that way.

surfsup Sun 09-Nov-25 18:46:32

georgesgran

I wondered if it was me who had misunderstood Hithere’s post!
Obviously not - totally uncalled for

Par for the course for that particular poster. As soon as I see the name I know a nasty comment is on the way. Best ignored.