We do exist, but after this why bother?

MOnica ... please point me at the evidenced facts

Why has Brexit entered into this?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/30/facts-support-mps-claim-that-better-educated-voted-remain-pollster

Ah, a pollster...they've been accurate on a host of issues, not!

Oh dear, bring back the Good Old Days! ;-)

I wonder how people with higher qualifications the first degrees voted then because most of those I know voted to leave.
I think that all we have achieved in getting more people into Uni is to put the bar a lot higher in the world of jobs. For example, when I joined the Civil Service in a specialist role in the the 70's I was expected to be qualified to A level standard. Now I would be expected to have a degree. My husband was in HR and it was something he noticed as well. A degree was the highest qualification for most roles but now I have seen quite a few jobs asking for a Master's.

This is the danger of anecdotal information, I only know one person who may have voted leave. Everyone else voted remain.

However I absolutely agree with you that one of the biggest barriers to social mobility now is the Thatcher/Blair obsession about making almost every career a graduate career.

When I left school there were multiple routes into every profession which could accommodate everyone from exam free school leavers to graduates. I originally started training to be a Chartered Accountant. As I remember, if you didn't have O levels you did a preliminary exam if you passed that, with those with O levels you did a 5 year training with two sets of exams, if you had A levels or a non-approved degree you did 4 years and 2 sets of exams. If you had an approved degree you did 3 years and 1 set of exams. And of course, you were paid through out your training, not much, but it was a wage. It made careers in both law and accountancy open to everyone, regardless of background and education

I had two friends who for different reasons left school after O levels who after a few years chose to study respectively accountancy and the law, both had successful careers and the lawyer was one of the first solicitors to become a judge.

The route they took into the professions has been completely blocked off

Really fed up with Harry and Megan as both seem trying to grab all the limelight away from Will and Kate. Both couldn't be bothered to meet Megan's family (not even her father) before or after the wedding so that says it all for me sorry.

Meghan is the worst thing that could happen to Harry he is easily lead and will be the undoing of who he really is Meghan is the one wearing the pants. The world has become more evil then it ever was and it's the younger generation that is making it so,,, the schools and universities started to indoctrinate not teach, back about 40 years ago,, they aren't teaching the real history but there is a new agenda on what the elite and government want us all to believe and the younger generation is falling for all the crap.. it's no wonder that so many are becoming depressed and committing suicide. there is no such thing as global warming, look back at history and one will see that weather has had it's ups and downs, cold, hot, storms, floods it's just nature acting normally.. instead of the government being concerned about global warming etc it should be more concerned about the poor pensioners trying to exist on the bread crumbs that they get,, the homeless, and those that can't find affordable rent... in Australia there are hundreds of empty houses that people with money have bought but don't want to rent them out... Muslims that come out as supposed refugees get homes, money and cars and pensions, they are not homeless.. why is it so.. there is an agenda here and people need to wake up and see what is going on...

Allykat946 I can respect that you'd have liked to see Harry with someone different, but the fact seemed to be that he couldn't find a girlfriend who wanted to be in the royal family, no matter how well they got on with him. It was beginning to look like the alternative was either a semi-arranged marriage like Charles and Diana, which was a disaster for them both, or he would stay single indefinitely while he carried on looking. And Harry himself said he was longing to settle down and have kids. Surely you'd not wish to prolong his loneliness and childlessness until Miss Perfect and Willing To Be Royal happened along? So far Meghan is carrying out her expected role, and he seems happy. I hope this can be good enough for you in time.

Harry may have had problems finding someone who wanted to be in the royal family, now he has found someone who thinks she is far more important than the queen. All she needs when they are together is a lead for him.

Do you believe everything you read in the media Annie?

Nothing I have read in the media, I am capable of thinking for myself ,

How are you judging her then? Do you know her personally?

How do you know she thinks she is more important than the queen?

Gonegirl do you know her personally?

To Harry, Meghan is more important than the Queen.
So she should be. She’s his wife, not his Grandma.
anniebach you should be ashamed of your spiteful comments.

janeainsworth nothing spiteful, just my opinion of a woman who is a junior member of the royal family.

I didn’t say Harry should think his grandmother more important than his wife.

No, I don't know her personally, but somehow I'm convinced she's a good person. I really like what I see of her in the media.

I'm not sure how "junior" she is. Her and Harry, and the other, two seem to be playing leading roles. Ding it well too.

Then you are judging her Gonegirl yes?

doing. not ding.

Yep. Favourably.

She is junior as was Fergie who was married to 4th in line to the throne , Harry is 6th