Do older people need to have global warming explained to them?

volver3

Well Callistemon, I don't want to be made fun of and asked daft questions about things that are obvious to a twelve year old, and take them at face value when they have been discussed at length previously.

We're not all going veggie overnight. We're actually not all going veggie at all. The proportion of veggies in the population will grow gradually and the number of farmed animals we need will decrease in proportion.

So no mass slaughter, no turning cows loose to become feral.

Why so sensitive?
It’s true what Callistemon says about farm animals, they would have to be put down if not wanted anymore or those left put out to get their own living, so become feral and a nuisance.They would get ill and suffer.
The whole world doesn’t want to become vegetarian thankfully.

Mmmmm, just fancy a burger now 🍔

lizzypopbottle

Surely there'd be mass slaughter of farm animals. They wouldn't be turned out to roam. Or am I being naive?

Seems we're slow reverting back to 'Esau's lentils' - assuming it takes more years, numbers of cows grown for slaughter will slowly decrease.

Cows have an uncertain number of babies per season - cow numbers will work out as people become vegans.

lizzypopbottle

Surely there'd be mass slaughter of farm animals. They wouldn't be turned out to roam. Or am I being naive?

The mass slaughter of animals is the status quo, surely, for people to be able to eat meat!

We're thinking UK here, I think, but we're not the only country to breed livestock, obviously.
In other countries where farm animals have escaped, they do not all die out naturally.
Herds do sometimes get culled to control numbers.

choughdancer

lizzypopbottle

Surely there'd be mass slaughter of farm animals. They wouldn't be turned out to roam. Or am I being naive?

The mass slaughter of animals is the status quo, surely, for people to be able to eat meat!

Precisely!

Callistemon21

If everyone on the planet changes to a vegetarian diet, what would happen to all the animals which are now produced for food?

Presumably they would be freed, allowed to roam and reproduce and therefore produce even more methane?

Like here?

😁

Sheep are 'terrorising' a S Wales village
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/sheep-bypass-godrergraig-roaming-flock-26621904

Wild brumbies, camels, cattle, goats and, nearer to home, escaped boar in the Forest of Dean, digging up graveyards, children's playing fields, football pitches.
Humans will keep getting in their way.

Callistemon21

Oh, thank goodness! What a relief.

No millions of cows on our green and pleasant pastures then, no out of control sheep on our mountains green?

Not like the feral camels in Australia.
Or the sheep terrorising a Welsh town.

No Callistemon21.
And they will find a way of using unusable (except for grazing sheep), land to grow soya until that becomes the next unacceptable thing.
They will continue to grow plants that need vast amounts of land and water to replace the wool from sheep and the chemically produced materials, regardless of the damage it does to the environment and those who have to live on/make a living from the land.
Actually, in Portugal recently I watched vines and olives being grown on almost vertical slopes, so all we really need is a warmer climate and better soil. We could use chemical soil improver perhaps?

Iberico Pork is said to be the finest in the world - and uses up the acorns - perhaps Ibericao pork is a way forward? 🐷

"Acorn-fed Iberico pork is a delicacy in many countries because it comes from special black Iberian pigs that are only fed acorns on the plains of the Iberian Peninsula, giving it a unique flavor. It comes in a wide variety of different choices including ham, chorizo, loin, and salami."

Mollygo

Callistemon21

Oh, thank goodness! What a relief.

No millions of cows on our green and pleasant pastures then, no out of control sheep on our mountains green?

Not like the feral camels in Australia.
Or the sheep terrorising a Welsh town.

No Callistemon21.
And they will find a way of using unusable (except for grazing sheep), land to grow soya until that becomes the next unacceptable thing.
They will continue to grow plants that need vast amounts of land and water to replace the wool from sheep and the chemically produced materials, regardless of the damage it does to the environment and those who have to live on/make a living from the land.
Actually, in Portugal recently I watched vines and olives being grown on almost vertical slopes, so all we really need is a warmer climate and better soil. We could use chemical soil improver perhaps?

I'm thinking of either employing a couple of sheep or turning the garden over to a vineyard as it slopes.
What do you think?

I'm thinking of either employing a couple of sheep or turning the garden over to a vineyard as it slopes.
What do you think?
🤣🤣Go for it!
The sheep would have to compete with the tortoise chez nous!

I've watched shearers at work, reckon I could have a go.

So what quaifications do these kids have, bearing in mind that scientists who have several decades studying this say that the earth is actually in a cooling cycle at the moment and that when the percentage of CO2 drops to 0.02% all plant life will start dying off. Not a great thing seeing as the WEF and all their 'young global leaders' seem to want everyone to eat a plant-based diet. Mind you, Bill Gates is 3D printing meat at the moment, but there's the bugs too. Although, if plant life dies off, so will the bugs.

Just in case anyone is in any doubt...

Scientists who have several decades studying this are all agreed that we are in a warming stage. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is either completely misguided or is trying to mislead you intentionally.

But who on GN is saying we are not in a warming stage?
Why does V3 posit such strange statements as if only she has heard this or noticed it?

Mollygo

But who on GN is saying we are not in a warming stage?
Why does V3 posit such strange statements as if only she has heard this or noticed it?

effalump said we are in a cooling cycle at the moment, * Mollygo*.

when the percentage of CO2 drops to 0.02% all plant life will start dying off.
Isn't the level of CO2 in the atmosphere still rising?

Mollygo

But who on GN is saying we are not in a warming stage?
Why does V3 posit such strange statements as if only she has heard this or noticed it?

Popular quite stupid 'conspiracy theory' promoted by silly people.

Mollygo

But who on GN is saying we are not in a warming stage?
Why does V3 posit such strange statements as if only she has heard this or noticed it?

Before you go all-in with the volver-bashing Mollygo it might be an idea to read the other posts on the thread?

Sorry V3, I just wondered why you were saying we’re in a warming stage as if no-one else knew. Then it turns out that other scientists say we’re in a cooling stage and you didn’t know either.

Oh I know more than you can possibly imagine.

climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/2893/nope-earth-isnt-cooling/

🤣🤣🤣 you are so funny V3.
You believe that only the scientific evidence you produce is true . . .
Whilst those who truly know, understand that a scientific ‘fact’ is only true until the next one comes along.
You know. . .
You know . . .
You evidently think I imagine things about your knowledge. 🤣🤣
I don’t imagine anything about you, so that’s another thing where you’re wrong.

You know Mollygo, I really enjoy you trying to explain the scientific method to me.

Those who truly know. What a hoot.

Glad to have kept you up to date, V3.

As far as I understood it - and I'm sure I'll be corrected politely 😂 - to put it simply, we should be in a natural cooler phase of the planet but humans have reversed that trend and warming is rapid.