Do older people need to have global warming explained to them?

Yes, of course animals are slaughtered for meat production! I'm not that naive! But, surprise, surprise, they are bred to keep the supply going! If being vegan became compulsory, (Heaven forfend!) there would only need to be one final mass slaughter. It would be ridiculous to turn them out to fend for themselves. Anyway, if they did that, there'd soon be a thriving black market in meat for those who don't want to be told what to do and how to live! And, while (if) we're still allowed to travel in our own vehicles, there'd be road kill too. There'd be chaos on country roads, with crazed, meat-deprived people stopping suddenly to scoop up flattened hedgehogs, pheasants, rabbits, deer and fighting over who had the right to pick it up. Carrying firearms in your car would become normal, as in the USA. Step away from that hedgehog, if you value your life, mate!

Paranoid? Me? OK, I'm off to lie down in a darkened room for a while.....

It would be cruelty to animals to just release them into some prepared prairie. Dairy cattle have been bred to produce high yields of milk and they would be in permanent pain and distress, Pigs have been bred to have large litters and sheep twins and triplets, So with no peak predator in the system we may well find we have the same problem with released domestic animals as we have with deer, where the landscape is being damaged and habitats destroyed through over grazing because flocks/herds are increasing exponentially with the only limits being starvation.

We might find that there would be mass starvation events when hundreds, if not thousands of animals died from lack of water or food. Die in pain and agony because of the lack of a peak predator and, of course humans could not medicate them or shoot them to put them out of their agony.

Animals are not going to be released into the wild, from farms. That's just unfounded scaremongering.

Because they won't exist in the first place.

volver3

Animals are not going to be released into the wild, from farms. That's just unfounded scaremongering.

Because they won't exist in the first place.

So a huge cull then?

Callistemon21

volver3

Animals are not going to be released into the wild, from farms. That's just unfounded scaremongering.

Because they won't exist in the first place.

So a huge cull then?

My guess is as people are slow accepting vegetarian/vegan - slowly fewer animals will be raised. Process/ part to changing diets.

A huge cull? Well, there would have to be a cull, otherwise aging animals would be living on ground needed for growing plants until they eventually die.
Even the Tories wouldn’t make
eating animal protein instantly illegal. Everyone could never go vegan overnight. The food supply, manufactured or grown for the whole world simply doesn’t exist.
Sufficient suitable land, properly fertilised isn’t available. Then there’s the ecological aspect of shipping food in. One example would be sufficient almonds for the UK demand for almond milk. It is possible to grow almonds in the UK, but the soil and climate in most parts is not suitable for large scale commercial production and we keep hearing reports of drought. Almonds are water greedy.
Lizzipopbottle’s point about black market is quite possible. Those who could afford to still eat meat would be OK. Those living in poverty would suffer just as they do now.

As a vegan, I would think the logical 'progress' has to be lab grown meat. No animals have to die, only muscle meat is produced - and it's very economical to produce, once it's scaled up to factory proportions. It's sustainable, too, unlike present meat production methods:

thehumaneleague.org.uk/article/what-is-lab-grown-meat-and-how-is-cultured-meat-made?

Three things are possible:

1) All the sheep and cows and everything else are turned out to the "wild", they become feral and die horrible deaths.

2) There is a mass cull.

3). Gradually more people become vegetarian or vegan so we don't produce so many animals by artificial means so there aren't vast numbers to get rid of, because we won't have made them in the first place.

Since everyone won't be becoming vegetarian/vegan overnight, which do you think will happen?

Number 3, obviously.

volver3

Three things are possible:

1) All the sheep and cows and everything else are turned out to the "wild", they become feral and die horrible deaths.

2) There is a mass cull.

3). Gradually more people become vegetarian or vegan so we don't produce so many animals by artificial means so there aren't vast numbers to get rid of, because we won't have made them in the first place.

Since everyone won't be becoming vegetarian/vegan overnight, which do you think will happen?

Number 3, obviously.

Exactly. But I do think lizzypopbottle's vision could make a good book or film...

Hety58 How can anyone support lab grown meat when the whole health of the nation is being threatened by Ultra Processed Food (OPF). Food made from natural ingredients that have been so processed, disassembled , recreated and generally denatured.

Meat is something where you eat the real thing or you do not eat it at all. It needs to be remembered the huge contribution to soil fertility made by animal manure and that 30% of british farmland is unsuitable for growing crops and can only be used as pasture. Other land needs massive imports of artificial fertilisers, which consume huge quantities of energy to manu facture, destroy the soil and pollute our rivers.

A very good film to watch ( on Prime) is: Eating our way to Extinction. No punches pulled, it’s scary.

volver3

Three things are possible:

1) All the sheep and cows and everything else are turned out to the "wild", they become feral and die horrible deaths.

2) There is a mass cull.

3). Gradually more people become vegetarian or vegan so we don't produce so many animals by artificial means so there aren't vast numbers to get rid of, because we won't have made them in the first place.

Since everyone won't be becoming vegetarian/vegan overnight, which do you think will happen?

Number 3, obviously.

3) Included is not purchasing a new bull, not hiring a bull. No bull in pasture, no new calves. Bulls are sold/slaughtered as any other beef.

Castrating young bulls changes the herd - beef to sell. Heifers sold for beef rather than kept. Many ways to decrease/sell ones herd.

U.K. cows could get "methane suppressing products" in effort to reduce farm greenhouse gas emissions

Quote: "United Kingdom officials are on a mission to limit the region's impact on global warming and mitigate the impacts of climate change. As part of a large-scale approach to fulfill this goal, there's one area of focus that sticks out: cows.

In March, the government unveiled its Net Zero Growth Plan, an initiative to limit reliance on fossil fuels – the burning of which significantly influences global temperature rise. One of the pathways to seeing this through is a focus on agricultural emissions, the country said, with officials adding in their plan that they are expecting "high efficacy methane suppressing products" to enter the market in 2025 to help. Such products, they said, would be introduced in a "phased approach."

Agriculture and other land-use emissions make up about 11% of the U.K.'s net greenhouse gas emissions, including international aviation and shipping, officials said.

"Livestock (particularly cattle) currently make up the largest share of these emissions," the Net Zero Growth Plan says.

Last year, environmental data company GHGSat captured methane emissions on satellites as they were being released by cows. They recorded five emissions in California's Joaquin Valley and found that if the amount of methane in those emissions were sustained for a year, it would result in 5,116 tonnes of gas, "enough to power 15,402 homes." Experts say these flatulent emissions coming from cattle's bodily processes are mostly from burps.

U.K. officials put out a call in August for agriculture experts to provide information on how animal feed products could reduce methane emissions, such as "methane production inhibitors, seaweeds, essential oils, organic acids, probiotics, and antimicrobials." More than 200 people responded to the call, including NGOs, farmers and businesses, and a summary of those results will be made public later this year."

Tom Bradshaw, deputy president of the U.K.'s National Farmers' Union, told The Guardian that the suppressants being encouraged by officials "could be useful."

"I don't think we know enough yet about the impact they will have on the efficiency of the diet," he said, "but it's something that we have to investigate to try and reduce methane emissions."

Richard Waite, senior researcher at the World Resources Institute, said that while the suppressants could help reduce emissions from cow burps, they "won't fix all the climate and other issue issues related to food systems."

"Some consider it a "techno fix," he said, similar to things like LED lightbulbs, electric vehicles and meat alternatives. But while it may be a small change, he said that doing things like this "can be quite useful contributors to solving big problems."

"Not every 'solution' needs to change every part of a system to be part of big important changes," Waite tweeted.

And it appears as though this emphasis on cow burps is only one small part of the U.K. government's plans. In February, officials released an update on the Environmental Land Management plan, an agricultural policy reform that aims to revamp how the agriculture sector works with the land.

"Through the Agricultural Transition, we are expanding our schemes to pay farmers and land managers to provide environmental goods and services alongside food production," the update says, "and providing one-off grants to support farm productivity, innovation, research and development in a way that also helps us to achieve these goals."

According to the update, there have so far been hundreds of farmers who have joined the roll out of the plan's implementation, which entails more support and financial incentives and payments for farmers to improve their services, efforts to better tackle pollution and more funding for the Environment Agency, a public body that is responsible for protection and enhancement of the environment.

"These reforms are essential to help us grow and maintain a resilient, productive agriculture sector over the long term," the website for the plan says, "and at the same time achieve our ambitious targets for the environment and climate, playing our role in tackling these huge, global challenges."

volver3 What's the difference between being vegetarian and vegan? Is it that vegetarians simply don't eat meat? If so, without milk, cheese, eggs etc. the term vegetarian becomes redundant. It'll be vegan or nothing when the animals are gone.

Hmm... No one has mentioned fish and fishing yet...

And if we're all vegans, we can just go back to being people, or consumers. The term vegan will be redundant too!

lizzypopbottle

And if we're all vegans, we can just go back to being people, or consumers. The term vegan will be redundant too!

Then we could worry more about food people purchase to eat - unhealthy food make is a large part of peoples weekly shop.

Quote: "Ultra-processed foods (or UPF) now account for more than half of all the calories eaten in the UK and US, and other countries are fast catching up. UPFs are now simply part of the flavour of modern life. These foods are convenient, affordable, highly profitable, strongly flavoured, aggressively marketed – and on sale in supermarkets everywhere. The foods themselves may be familiar, yet the term “ultra-processed” is less so."

Quote: "Foods in the UPF category include biscuits, mass-produced buns and breads, sweetened cereals, margarines and spreads, packaged snacks, ice cream, flavoured yogurts, soft drinks, powdered meals, ready-made meals, and instant sauces and stocks."

Nobody needs those 'foods', particularly ready meals- but people do buy such for reasons known only to themselves.