Do older people need to have global warming explained to them?

To pick a fight, maybe?

Reading to pick a fight?

Yeah, looking for an excuse to have a go at those young whippersnappers who are getting above their station.

Don't they know what paragons of virtue we old folks are?

To me it is a classic example of mindless agism. We are too old, too stupid, to busy with our knitting to be aware of anything going on in the outside world like global warming and too old too stupid etc etc to know what to do to do anything about it.

Like I said, nobody is actually properly reading the article, are they?

Have you seen the ages of these people that they are talking about? The parents are young enough to be our children.

As I said volver, comprehension. Without reading the article one cannot properly comprehend the initial post and form a view.

I've got no idea what that's meant to mean, sorry.

Are we agreeing with each other?

I think, could be wrong (surely someone will correct me), traveling to the continent should be done through the chunnel, if one is environmentally aware of planes and ferry boats.

Something we and our children practice as often as possible.

I never see it mentioned. Perhaps I am wrong?

volver3

I've got no idea what that's meant to mean, sorry.

Are we agreeing with each other?

I suspect you two agree.

Reading comprehension is highly underrated.

We can’t be seen to be agreeing with one another volver. That would be contrary to the laws of nature (whatever they are) surely? 😱

volver you are eliding the necessary with the personal. No one said this ER founder shouldn't have a car, and use it, although many activists - and non-activists manage without and live places where they can, but this person was driving a diesel car.

The same with fruit and veg. Now I buy as much of my fruit and veg as possible in a market and I have reusable vegetable bags that I bought in Sainsburies (they still sell them. 50p each)

I also shop in the same supermrket as the one they were seen in, and rarely buy the wrapped vegetables. I buy loose fruit and vegetables, once again using my re-useable bags. I also try, wherever possible to buy UK vegetables. I just adjust my eating patterns and recipes, as far as possible, to fit seasonal patterns.

What we seem to be losing is the expectation that those who choose to lead and encourage us to reach high standards are expected to live up to the standards they set their followers.

If someone chooses to found and run an extremist global warming organisation, then I expect them to exemplify its principles in their life, what sort of example is it setting to demand that others do extraordinary things that make their lives difficult in order to combat climate change, when they are making very little effort themselves.

So as far as we know, from the article in the paper that must not be named (PTMNBN), this woman is driving a diesel car and has been seen to buy products that have racked up the air miles. Guess what? She's not perfect.

Her neighbour (former Army chap, for good measure) is having a rant about what a hypocrite she is, how untidy her garden was. Another one, how she never spoke much.

It doesn't take much to see that the PTMNBN, is trying to discredit an organisation that it wants us to believe is undermining society as we know it. That it is targeting the kind of people who object to being told a few home truths by a Swedish teenager, then cross their arms and pout like Ada and Cissie. Those people need to get the chip off their shoulder and stop feeling that they are paragons of virtue and the world doesn't appreciate them.

Germanshepherdsmum

We can’t be seen to be agreeing with one another volver. That would be contrary to the laws of nature (whatever they are) surely? 😱

🤣😉

I’m quite prepared to be educated by any generation, I don’t know everything and certainly wouldn’t take umbrage to insight explained in a non -patronising manner.
We do both what we can and what we know about to mitigate global warming, doesn’t mean we’re not open to more action if it’s feasible for us.

Isn’t teaching someone else a good way to establish the knowledge in oneself? By ‘educating’ their parents the children may gain a deeper insight themselves. A good thing surely.

I've no problem attempting to be good to our planet.

Doesn't mean I walk or force a large family in a silly tiny car - we drive 4x4s, we need space and frankly like the height/ safety aspect. We don't eat meat, we allow others to eat meat and byproducts - life is not just about us. We shop quite carefully, cook our own food, don't go to places we think of as polluting, but we know other have different budgets.

Certainly never complain about others gardens. Second link neighbors and critics are hypocritical, in their own ways.

Unnecessary mean spirited behaviour.

Discussion between the generations can only be a good thing surely?

I think it’s good that the young people are more aware. There’s a lot of effort going on in our primary school to raise awareness even in KS1.
Awareness of the cost of clothing production, the meaning of the words carbon footprint, even the impact of eating meat, or using palm oil.
They also need to grow up with the knowledge that many of us already have;
Elegran gives some excellent examples.

The problems arise, for young and old, when it comes to applying it in their/our own lives.
E.g. holidays. I’ve listened to 10-year-olds and 21 year olds and staff in the staff room discussing the damage flying does to the environment, at the same time as talking about their holiday plans which involve flying.

Young children are reliant on their parents for where they go, but once they/we are paying for their own holidays . . .

One DGS is planning to buy a car once he passes his driving test, so that he can get to work in less than 90 minutes, carrying all his own equipment. He has extolled the virtues of electric cars, but explained that he’ll have to get petrol because second hand EV’s are still expensive and may quickly need a new battery that could cost as much again as the car.

We look at the need to care for things or use and reuse things rather than discard them. The children have some brilliant ideas about conservation of resources.
Some of them don’t extend those ideas to looking after their belongings, so that doesn’t explain why our lost property box is full of items of clothing, some new, some nearly new, sometimes even the odd Nike trainer.
It’s filtering through, and it’s important.
The most important part of children talking to their parents/grandparents about climate change and what they should be doing, is that it will embed the message in their own heads, and maybe make them realise it means them too.

volver3

I think there are two things to consider here.

The BBC article is about how a young person can talk to their parents about changes they want to make that they think are important, but their parents might not be on board with. It’s not about explaining climate change to old folks. I can’t see how helping young people communicate better with their parents can be a bad thing?

As for the XR/hypocrite thing, it absolutely drives me bonkers that anybody thinks that this is hypocritical. The thing that XR is campaigning about is that the current society we live in means that we have to do things that are bad for the planet. The campaigning is about changing things at the roots, its not expecting everybody to immediately only eat kale and travel everywhere by bike. If the woman has to use a car to pick up her kids from school or get the shopping done, what do you propose she does? If the only veg in the shop is from far away, do you suggest she just eats turnip?

Maybe people do need climate action explained to them after all.

Sounds hypocritical to me. If you’re going to tell other people what standard they have to set themselves you start by setting those standards yourself. Or am I missing something here? I personally don’t have a problem finding a market that sells fresh produce. Or is it that it’s bad for the environment that she needs to drive her diesel car further to find it?

For the 300th time...

OK, I exaggerate.

This organisation is not telling people what standard to set themselves. Its all very laudable that everyone is reusing carrier bags and buying veggies at the market, but it's not enough.

XR are trying to influence the government. Whether you agree with what they do or not, they are not trying to tell you how to live your life. They are trying to get governments to take some action at a macro level.

Volver The DM was one of several papers that covered this story, including The Times, which unfortunately you cannot access without paying. So do not try and undermine this story by suggesting it is a DM story only. Another example of your very prejudiced attitude to everything that does not agree with you.

Sounds hypocritical to me. If you’re going to tell other people what standard they have to set themselves you start by setting those standards yourself. Or am I missing something here? I personally don’t have a problem finding a market that sells fresh produce. Or is it that it’s bad for the environment that she needs to drive her diesel car further to find it?

No, you are absolutely right, Maybee.
There is plenty of healthy produce in the shops, markets, supermarkets without having to buy vegetables flown thousands of air miles. Cheaper too.

Some older people do not understand climate change, some middle aged people do not understand climate change, nor do some young adults.
Children are taught about this at school now, but their parents don't set a good example.

Look around you if you are anywhere near a school at the end of the school day.
Dozens of parents in cars picking up children, half empty school buses, few walking.

M0nica

Volver The DM was one of several papers that covered this story, including The Times, which unfortunately you cannot access without paying. So do not try and undermine this story by suggesting it is a DM story only. Another example of your very prejudiced attitude to everything that does not agree with you.

Dear Lord! Pot and kettle much?

So what if someone disagrees with your imperious views?

You only have to look at the amount of rubbish along main roads to see just how many adults aren't aware they are harming the environment

M0nica

Volver The DM was one of several papers that covered this story, including The Times, which unfortunately you cannot access without paying. So do not try and undermine this story by suggesting it is a DM story only. Another example of your very prejudiced attitude to everything that does not agree with you.

Oh M0nica, change the record.

The Times article is not behind a paywall. The other papers that came up in my good search are slightly to the right.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e926072e-e068-11ed-be6e-fc82fede3d1d?shareToken=d1e1d8504b1ac4d7da0089fab9f50fc4

Maybe somebody will read it and explain what the difference in tone between The Times and the Mail means. I've lost the will to live. Which might, of course, be the ulterior motive.